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    The fact that they posted a statute that only applies to prohibited possesors and "public establishments/events" means they have no legal leg to stand on when and if a CCW holder is confronted. They should have posted a statute about criminal tresspass. Thier ignorance is to my advantage.


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    While shopping in Omaha, NE the Costco is posted---no CCW, but Sam's club is not, guess who gets my business. Have not went past the front door of Costco after seeing the dreaded sign.


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    Interesting note.
    Just talked to a CCW instructor that had the manager of Costco in one of his classes. Seems that he added the statute to the sign knowing what it meant to legal CCW holders, but had to make corporate happy.

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    Costco does need a membership card to enter...I think it is $50 a year for a Gold member. I tried researching if there was any incident involving a firearm and the closest I could find was way back in 2000: 2 Remaining Gunmen Evade Capture After Costco Shooting - Los Angeles Times

    Here is another interesting incident at Costco:
    COSTCO: No Guns Allowed! - Family, Friends, Firearms

    Here is a letter from COSTCO management to a member:
    Costco Gun Ban
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    FWIW, I have not seen any "no firearms" signs at any of the Costco's that I've visited so far in Va and NC & I've been patronizing them for several years now ...

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    According to Alan Korwin's AZ gun owners guide, the sign counts as asking you not to carry. If caught, they can have you arrested for trespassing if they decide to pursue that instead of verbally asking you to leave.

    The 13-3102 just says that a public entity must provide a place to check your gun. A private entity, such as Costco does not have to abide by this law and does not have to provide storage.

    And yes, both costco's I've been to have a no firearms sign. I'm torn about switching to sams club because I hate wal mart.

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    If it has weight, go in there and tell them you want to cancel your membership due to that policy. Make sure they know it is because that. I've never noticed a sign here in NH. I think I OCd there once too.

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    Found a response to a member from Costco on another forum. I had a few issues with what was written
    Sent this off today, what do you think?

    Dear Stephanie Bradley,

    I am currently a member of Costco. I have seen on the outside of the building in several areas a posting of "Firearms Prohibited". I have also read your response to a Costco member.
    In your response to the question regarding customers carrying personal protection, you stated "Costco does not believe that it is necessary for firearms to be brought into its warehouse stores, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers." But, 04:00 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- A Sunset District woman leaving a Costco store in San Francisco was beaten, kidnapped, robbed and twice choked to the point where she blacked out, police said yesterday. The 48-year-old woman, whose name was not released, told investigators that two men accosted her at 6 p.m. Tuesday as she was opening the trunk of her car in the parking lot of the store, at 10th and Harrison streets. And Woman Hurt During Robbery At Montclair Costco MONTCLAIR, Calif. A woman was hurt during a robbery in a Costco parking lot in Montclair, police said. Not to mention, Bend Costco carjacking suspect caught in Yakima, Around 12:30 on Saturday, Feb. 9, police responded to the Costco parking lot on Highway 20. A 31-year-old woman said she was leaving the store with her 8-month-old child in a stroller when she was approached by a man who brandished a knife and demanded her car keys, forcing the woman to the ground and fleeing in the vehicle.
    I can go on and on about how Costco Members were attacked by criminals in Costco parking lots. Your argument is "For the protection of all our members and employees, we feel this is a reasonable and prudent precaution to ensure a pleasant shopping experience and safe workplace. Our policy is meant to protect our members and employees in all warehouses around the world." I would like to ask how it is reasonable and prudent to demand that your customers, your members, be defenseless on your property. If a member has a permit to carry a concealed weapon and carries their weapon discreetly from the parking lot, to the warehouse and back out to their car, how does that threaten other members and employees?
    You wrote "The shopping experience is not enhanced by bringing a firearm into our warehouse." Are you of the mind that a firearm is an accessory? Most people walk around not believing they could be a target, the "oh, it will never happen to me" perspective. But, when it does happen, and they are not prepared, your customers end up brutalized.
    Law abiding citizens who carry firearms are of the mind " it may never happen, but if it does I am going to defend myself and my family." What is Costco going to do to provide for my safety once my "shopping experience" is over and I need to cross the parking lot and load my goods into my car since it is part of my membership agreement that I be disarmed and defenseless?
    This is from an article involving a kidnapping rape and murder from a Wal-Mart parking lot.
    In the Supreme Court case, the judge pointed out that “parking lots in particular have provided fertile ground for crime, because customers usually possess money or recently purchased merchandise.” She also noted that most courts have ruled that businesses do have a duty to take
    reasonable precautions to protect customers from foreseeable criminal acts. The judge set a new negligence standard for Tennessee that the “foreseeability of harm and the gravity of harm must be balanced against the commensurate burden imposed on the business to protect against that harm.” She said this standard “recognizes the national trend that businesses must justifiably expect to share in the cost of crime attracted to the business.”
    I hope that you never become a victim of Costco policies.

    Sincerely,

    Costco Members since 2001

    P.S. Sam's Club/Wal-Mart has rescinded their no firearms policy since being sued for 15 million dollars for demanding that a female customer be disarmed while shopping and was attacked on her way to her car.


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    That is a well constructed letter helitech...
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    well done helitech
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    In AZ if a company has a posted sign they can request you to leave. Even if the sign is conspicuously posted really the most they can do is ask you to leave. I know an assistant manager at my local Costco and they are not too worried about it in AZ. If you cause a ruckus or get out of hand they will ask you to leave and if you are being a complete moron they will call the cops and have you escorted off site for trespassing.

    As long as you have plausible deniability that you saw the sign (and IMAO "I invoke my 5th amendment right against self incrimination" works well) then they cannot prove you saw it, and therefore they cannot make a trespass charge stick.

    That said, though, if they are being that way about it do you want to shop there? I have both Sams and Costco (one my wife bought, the other from work) and I prefer Sams for their policy.
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    No signs here at my KS Costco. Must not be a corporate thing.

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    I keep a personal list of all the places I shop that post (I'm in Ohio). Costco is one of the very few national establishments that do so. I also got the "doesn't enhance the shopping experience" email, which is one of the most insulting loads of corporate BS I've ever read.

    Here's a partial list of the national or large regional stores that don't post. Of course, Costco is right. As we all know, these establishments have turned into veritable bloodbaths:

    Barnes and Noble, Borders, Boston Market, BP, Cold Stone Creamery, Crate and Barrel, Dairy Queen, Dick's Sporting Goods, Gamestop, Gander Mountain, Giant Eagle, GMC, Half Price Books, Jennifer Furniture, Keybank, Lane Bryant, Lens Crafters, Lowes, Microcenter, Panera Bread, Petco, Petsmart, Pier One Imports, Sam's Club, Starbuck's, Target, Toys R Us, Walmart, Walgreen

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    Is this just an Arizona phenomenon as it pertains to Costco being posted? I have openly carried at our Memphis Costco many times. Never saw a sign and never been asked to leave either.

    I doubt this is a Costco corporate policy thing. But, I will look closely for a new posting of the property the next time I am there.
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    I do not believe it is a corporate policy.

    There are three COSTCO's near my home, and only one has a posting for no firearms.
    Besides, here in CO, it means nothing but a trespassing charge if discovered and asked to leave and you don't leave.

    Carry on.
    It’s so much easier now days, to "Love and honor" my wife, when she is armed, and shoots a better group than I do. (Till death do us part, eh?)

    “The way you get shot by a concealed weapons permit holder is, you point a gun at him,” the Sheriff said.

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