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    Question on parking lot.

    So Michigain made it legal to carry concealed in the parking lot of pistol free zones not too long ago. My question is, I work at the federal center in downtown Battle Creek. I park in a parking lot that is owned by the city, but leased by the federal government from the hours of 0800-1600. It is a bad part of town to be driving in, and I really would like to be able to carry to work, and leave my pistol locked in the trunk. I am an armed guard. I sign out my duty pistol not five minutes after leaving said parking lot. So can I carry my personal firearm at least to the parking lot?

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    Is the lot posted as a 'federal facility'? If not it probably depends on agency regulations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmmgaspacho View Post
    So Michigain made it legal to carry concealed in the parking lot of pistol free zones not too long ago. My question is, I work at the federal center in downtown Battle Creek. I park in a parking lot that is owned by the city, but leased by the federal government from the hours of 0800-1600. It is a bad part of town to be driving in, and I really would like to be able to carry to work, and leave my pistol locked in the trunk. I am an armed guard. I sign out my duty pistol not five minutes after leaving said parking lot. So can I carry my personal firearm at least to the parking lot?

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    Usually anything with "federal" in is off limits here in the Missouri. What part of the government leases it from 0800 to 1600? If your an armed guard at said federal building, there might be a stipulation somewhere where you can carry a weapon ( if your licensed properly ) where average joe can't...ie the parking lot. Might want to check your workers handbook or just ask supervisor if the parking lot is off limits. Remember all the is just MY OPINION check this stuff out for yourself.
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    Yep.. Make up your own mind on this, but I would think the parking lot would be ok.. No-one would know if you never told,.. They don't have weapon sniffing dogs that canvas the parking lot???? But again, it is your choice,. Check into it without alarming people..

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    Quote Originally Posted by PackN View Post
    Usually anything with "federal" in is off limits here in the Missouri. What part of the government leases it from 0800 to 1600? If your an armed guard at said federal building, there might be a stipulation somewhere where you can carry a weapon ( if your licensed properly ) where average joe can't...ie the parking lot. Might want to check your workers handbook or just ask supervisor if the parking lot is off limits. Remember all the is just MY OPINION check this stuff out for yourself.
    As far as which government agency, DLA (Defense Logistics Agency). They fall under Dept. of Defense. There isn't much parking space that they actually own. That's why they have to lease a couple of lots. And apparently they do so in the peak hours so as to save money from leasing the whole day.

    As far as company policy and whatnot, I started working there before the parking lot ruling changed. And I didn't want to create a big stir by asking my supervisors. It's a pretty crappy part of town, so it would be nice to be able to defend myself if need be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmmgaspacho View Post
    As far as which government agency, DLA (Defense Logistics Agency). They fall under Dept. of Defense. There isn't much parking space that they actually own. That's why they have to lease a couple of lots. And apparently they do so in the peak hours so as to save money from leasing the whole day.

    As far as company policy and whatnot, I started working there before the parking lot ruling changed. And I didn't want to create a big stir by asking my supervisors. It's a pretty crappy part of town, so it would be nice to be able to defend myself if need be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmmgaspacho View Post
    As far as which government agency, DLA (Defense Logistics Agency). They fall under Dept. of Defense. There isn't much parking space that they actually own. That's why they have to lease a couple of lots. And apparently they do so in the peak hours so as to save money from leasing the whole day.

    As far as company policy and whatnot, I started working there before the parking lot ruling changed. And I didn't want to create a big stir by asking my supervisors. It's a pretty crappy part of town, so it would be nice to be able to defend myself if need be.

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    To the best of my knowledge all DOD facilities are no private weapon zones and state law will not override that. I'd discretely check and see if the parking lot is covered under US Code.

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    Probably can't have it since it's Federal property since they pay the rent. But, I'd give Joel Fulton at the Southside Sportsman Club a call. He'd know for sure.
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    Would someone point me to the actual law about Federal property and firearms?

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by trainer23 View Post
    Would someone point me to the actual law about Federal property and firearms?

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    Look here

    Handgunlaw.us

    If I read it correct in NM if you have a valid license you are OK on certain Federal property. Its not that way in a lot of states.

    Federal Properties…Military Bases, Courthouse, etc. National Parks and National Wildlife Management
    Areas are OK if you have a NM Permit/License to Carry or a Permit/License valid in New Mexico.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trainer23 View Post
    Would someone point me to the actual law about Federal property and firearms?

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    http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/FedRestrict.pdf

    "This includes parking lots adjacent to or part of the facility if the Federal Agency/Entity owns
    or has control of the parking lot."

    So that pretty much settles that. About the only thing that I could do is pull into the bar parking lot accross the street to properly put away my pistol. And as far as going stealth, I'd rather not, because I only carry it in case I need it. As soon as I needed it, I would be screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PackN View Post
    Look here

    Handgunlaw.us

    If I read it correct in NM if you have a valid license you are OK on certain Federal property. Its not that way in a lot of states.

    Federal Properties…Military Bases, Courthouse, etc. National Parks and National Wildlife Management
    Areas are OK if you have a NM Permit/License to Carry or a Permit/License valid in New Mexico.
    You may NOT carry a handgun, openly or concealed, in:
    • Liquor establishments that sell alcohol for consumption on the premises. Parking lots are OK. (30-7-3
    NMSA 1978, fourth degree felony)
    • Schools…except in vehicle if older than 19 (30-7-2.1 NMSA 1978, fourth degree felony)
    • University Premises…except in vehicle if older than 19 (30-7-2.4 NMSA 1978 petty misdemeanor)
    • Preschools (29-19-8 NMSA 1978)
    • Courts (29-19-11 NMSA 1978, without the consent of the presiding judge) Court means: any Federal,
    State, County, Municipal, or Tribal Court;
    • Tribal Land (29-19-10, NMSA, unless authorized by the governing body of the tribe or pueblo)
    • Public buses (30-7-13 NMSA 1978, misdemeanor)
    • Airport security zones
    • State parks
    • Federal Properties…Military Bases, Courthouse, etc. National Parks and National Wildlife Management Areas are OK if you have a NM Permit/License to Carry or a Permit/License valid in New Mexico.
    • On private property where the owner has posted signs indicating that you may not carry or if the owner tells you that you cannot
    Very poorly written. While Federal Courts and Military Bases are not legal for carrying. National Parks and National WMA are legal with a valid NM permit.

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    Thumbs up Thanks for the resource

    Quote Originally Posted by mmmgaspacho View Post
    I had not explored the documents section of Handgun.us
    This is very helpful. I also found the Indian Nation Section that is incomplete but helps with one local tribe and probably a model of other tribal law in NM.

    Thanks for the help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    Very poorly written. While Federal Courts and Military Bases are not legal for carrying. National Parks and National WMA are legal with a valid NM permit.
    It is still against Federal law and a Federal court injuction to carry in any National Park until February 2010 when the new law permitting carry takes effect. NM state law cannot override Federal law to make Federal law LESS restrictive.

    If you are found in possession of a firearm on a military base, go ahead and show them your NM concealed weapons license and see how far the goes.

    The prohibition on Federal property is 18 USC 930:
    US CODE: Title 18,930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

    The prohibition on Post Office property is 39 CFR 232.1(l):
    Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:

    The prohibition in National Parks is 36 CFR 2.4:
    Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:

    HOWEVER, in the National Park regulation, section (h) has an injuction against it by a Federal court and IS NOT APPLICABLE. A new Federal law specifically allowing carrying in a National Park will take effect February 2010.

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