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    Traveling to St. Louis, need suggestions

    I am going to be traveling from OK to St. Louis for a couple Cardinals games and I would like some input on any weird laws that MO might have. Also I would like to know parts of St. Louis to avoid as I have seen it recently became murder capital of the US. It looks like the stadium is a stones throw from the peoples republic of illinois. Surely there is not many hotels, restaurants, etc. that I may accidentally end up in illinois. I used to have the travelers guide to gun laws but it is MIA at the moment.

    The main questions I have are can I carry into an eating establishment that serves alcohol, and if I can legally keep my gun in the truck at the baseball game. Any other input is appreciated.
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    Best advice for traveling to "THE LOO" (the hip call it The Lou, but the English term is more appropriate, meaning toilet) is DON'T. But given you have already made that decision……

    North side is the worst, but that is where they located the Cabella's. Central around Forest Park ain’t great but that is where the zoo is.

    Guns in the stadium parking lot are OK

    Guns carried in restaurants serving alcohol are OK (>51% of revenue from food so major restaurants are OK) jst stay out of the "bar" area; bars serving food (>51% from booze) are not. Even then violation is not a criminal offense.

    Even if posted it is not a criminal violation to enter, if discovered all that supposed to happen is denial of service (asked to leave) if you refuse to leave and cops are call you get a trespass ticket. Although in “THE LOO” you can probably expect the cops to be called right away.

    The police department is currently in trouble for excesses in parking fines/towing irregularities but I do not know if that has caused any relaxing of enforcement.

    Open carry is legal but local governments can ban it and THE LOO is a hog-pog of small municipalities due to some historical restrictions on THE LOO expanding, so everything outside the core is a combination of small towns.

    As THE LOO is right on the Mississippi River you cannot wind up in PDRIL without crossing a bridge, but it is possible to get caught past the last exit and have to cross, just hit the first exit and come back.

    Across the river is East St. Louis: one place a decent citizen does not want to be (unless traveling sans females, then PM me and I will tell you of a couple places that could be of interest to a man traveling alone) so there are no good motels/hotels there.

    Handguns in cars without a permit are legal if over 21

    Missouri does not require LEO notification

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmerbyron View Post
    I am going to be traveling from OK to St. Louis for a couple Cardinals games and I would like some input on any weird laws that MO might have. Also I would like to know parts of St. Louis to avoid as I have seen it recently became murder capital of the US. It looks like the stadium is a stones throw from the peoples republic of Illinois. Surely there is not many hotels, restaurants, etc. that I may accidentally end up in Illinois. I used to have the travelers guide to gun laws but it is MIA at the moment.

    The main questions I have are can I carry into an eating establishment that serves alcohol, and if I can legally keep my gun in the truck at the baseball game. Any other input is appreciated.
    St. Louis has changed.

    There are cops and downtown guides in yellow shirts to assist you. They are usually on almost every downtown block.

    The new Busch Stadium is something I can be proud to say I had a part in designing. My company did most of the interior spaces while HOK Sport, KC did the original shell design. I think you will like the sight lines. There is really no bad seat in the ball park.

    There is a new sculpture park that you may like to visit. It starts at
    8th street and Market.

    There are several new down town hotels. mostly along Washington Ave. But others a few blocks away, all near the stadium.

    Washington Ave., once a rundown garment district has been re-made into a loft district. There are now many new restaurants and even a high tech bowling alley/bar. The City Museum is great for kids and adults like it too. It is also downtown just off Washington ave.

    A tourist trap IMO is Laclede Landing a downtown district along the river front that I don't go to anymore. there are several restaurants and clubs. This is where You could get Mugged. late at night, if anywhere.

    On the edge of Laclede landing district is Lumière Place It is a 5 star hotel and casino. Even If you don't gamble this is worth visiting.

    The Soulard District is a historic residential and bar district about a mile and a half from the ball park. There are 30-40 bars and restaurants.

    Lafayette Square on Park ave. also only a mile from the ball park has some great restaurants and bars.

    We have one of the greatest Zoo's in the country located in Forest park and it is free. Forest Park is huge, much larger than Central Park in NY.

    There are many more places to visit.
    Like any urban environment, you need to be aware of your surroundings.

    I would generally say don't walk north of Washington Ave. downtown at night.

    Missouri is an open carry state. You can carry openly in your car.

    If OK has reciprocity with MO you can carry concealed.

    Okay, here is the law.

    You can not carry concealed in any restaurant or bar that serves less than 51% or more food unless you have prior approval of the manager

    If posted with 10" x 14" sign at the entrance that says "No Firearms allowed" you can not carry concealed into any establishment including restaurants, Taverns, or retail stores.

    You can not carry at the ball park. Missouri law prohibits carry of concealed weapons at any stadium that seats 5,000 people or more.

    Hope this is of some help to you.

    Enjoy your visit.

    St. Louis is a nice place to live and work.


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    I will be traveling thru "some part" of St Louis in August. I haven't decided if I will go right into IL or take the route down the west side of the Mississippi yet. ...... I understand Interstate 64 has been or is under construction.... Is this true?... Thanks.

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    I am a decent citizen that lives in St.Louis but works East Side. Have for many many years. The industries that F350 refers to are gentlemens clubs and are the after hours hotspots when all the clubs downtown shut down .The area is heavily patroled by the local police and all the clubs have security in place outside and inside. The area has a 24 hour saloon , a very large tecno ,house music club, and two "gentlemens "clubs in less then a 2 mile radius. It turns into a small city after 2:30 am on a Saturday evening. The patronage spans every race, creed ,gender and moral proclivety. If you are not looking for trouble you will be fine. Leave the egos at home and have a good time if that is your twist.Like anywhere else . A word of caution, the staff of these clubs DO NOT suffer true idiocy for very long and situations are delt with swiftly. The local jail cells are small and without air conditioning. If you werent so bad they will bring you a nice lunch...bad? You get the pemento sandwich.

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    FastDraw I64 is under construction. There is a part just east of Wentzville for about 2 miles, you can get through this, I170, it is closed from there to Kingshighway in both directions.
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    The area around Cabelas is fine. Even a nice trap and skeet range immediately to the west of it.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtarich View Post
    FastDraw I64 is under construction. There is a part just east of Wentzville for about 2 miles, you can get through this, I170, it is closed from there to Kingshighway in both directions.
    Thanks rtarich......

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastDraw View Post
    I will be traveling thru "some part" of St Louis in August. I haven't decided if I will go right into IL or take the route down the west side of the Mississippi yet. ...... I understand Interstate 64 has been or is under construction.... Is this true?... Thanks.
    Yes, 64 is under construction and closed from Kings-highway to I-170.
    about a 5 mile stretch. 64 will be closed for another 6 months.

    Most are using
    I -70, Forest Park Parkway, or Clayton Road as alternate routes.
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    Does the I-64 closure affect travel from I-70 in Illinois to I-44 in Missouri? I will be heading into southern Missouri in a couple of weeks, and usually take I-70 across the bridge and connect with I-44.

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    When you enter St. Louis, keep going. That's my advice. Stop for gas after you are an hour (at least) from the city limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One of Many View Post
    Does the I-64 closure affect travel from I-70 in Illinois to I-44 in Missouri? I will be heading into southern Missouri in a couple of weeks, and usually take I-70 across the bridge and connect with I-44.
    No, I-70 in IL becomes I- 270 in MO and belts around St. Louis to the south where in intersects I-44 near Fenton at exit 5B.
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    I usually pick up I-44 near the split with I-55 close to the river, instead of driving way out of the way to go around the metro area. I go through the metro area, using the shortest route, which takes me past Kingshighway on I-44. Kingshighway was mentioned with respect to the I-64 closure, which is why I asked.

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    Here are the statutes for Missouri weapons offenses listed on the Missouri Attorney General website: RSMO-Chapter 571

    Pay special note to Section 571-107, as it lists where concealed carry is not allowed: Section 571-107 Endorsement does not authorize conceale

    Paragraph (7) deals with restaurants and alcohol.

    Paragraph (15) covers other private businesses. If the parking lot is open to the public, i.e., not gated or guarded with security, a business cannot prevent you from carrying in your car. EVEN IF AN OPEN PARKING LOT ITSELF IS POSTED WITH PROPER SIGNAGE, the signs carry no weight of law. They only indicate the owner is either an anti or seriously misinformed.

    Paragraph (16) covers sports arenas and their parking lots:
    (16) Any sports arena or stadium with a seating capacity of five thousand or more. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;
    Immediately following the list of 17 places where concealed carry is not authorized is this statement:
    2. Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (17) of subsection 1 of this section by any individual who holds a** concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises. If such person refuses to leave the premises and a peace officer is summoned, such person may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed one hundred dollars for the first offense. If a second citation for a similar violation occurs within a six-month period, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed two hundred dollars and his or her endorsement to carry concealed firearms shall be suspended for a period of one year. If a third citation for a similar violation is issued within one year of the first citation, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed five hundred dollars and shall have his or her concealed carry endorsement revoked and such person shall not be eligible for a concealed carry endorsement for a period of three years.
    My interpretation is this: there are places where concealed carry is not authorized, but if one carries there, it IS NOT A CRIME. If one is noticed carrying in one of those places, and refuses a request to leave, then one can be charged $100 for the first offense. After 3 such offenses, one can lose the CCW license.

    Bottom line is this: if you are asked to leave someplace that is posted, LEAVE IMMEDIATELY.

    Here's another bottom line that most anti's and some do-gooders choke on: one can just about carry anywhere they damn well please, and it IS NOT A CRIME. People will spout and sputter about intent, integrity, and other BS, but my concern is not pleasing and placating every other person in St. Louis or elsewhere. My sole intent is to protect myself and my family. The Missouri statutes say I can do that and carry just about anywhere. I don't give a flying truck about the opinions of others. The law lists what's legal and what isn't. That's good enough for me.

    Of course, if a place has metal detectors or a pat-down search, I wouldn't advise carrying. If it's federal property, I wouldn't advise carrying. Most other places, it IS NOT A CRIME. Doesn't matter how many or who chafes at that statement. I quoted from the Missouri Attorney General website. I'd say the website can be considered accurate.

    Now, if one is discovered carrying in one of those places, it may mean a discussion with police. It may involve a trip to the police station. Some rabid LEO may confiscate your weapon. You might even need a lawyer. I expect no charges in the end, unless you caused a ruckus or they dream up a "disturbing the peace" charge.

    Regardless, you have the law in front of you, and you can make your own decision. If you conceal well, it shouldn't be an issue. If there is a need to draw to protect you and/or your family, a possible trespassing charge isn't relevant in the least.

    My safety and my family's safety come first. If others don't like it, too bad. I've had to follow laws before that I didn't like, now it's their turn.

    Again I quote "... shall not be a criminal act..." How much clearer does the law need to be?


    Pertaining to missing an exit and ending up in Illinois, yes, it's possible. I recommend studying a map well before driving through downtown.

    Others have given you good advice on what areas to avoid downtown. They know better than I do--I avoid that area as much as possible, and have for years.

    You should be able to miss most or all of the I-40 construction if you come up I-44. Again, check the map carefully, and perhaps look online for any construction updates of the area.

    Hope you have fun up here. Lots to see, just need to be careful and use your best SA.

    I think some of the highlights here are the zoo, Forest Park (next to the zoo), the Botanical Gardens, and the Arch, if those appeal to you. The Arch has a movie of how it was made, and it's worth the price to view it. They also have a movie of the U.S. westward expansion. IIRC it was good, but it's been a long time since I saw it. The tram to the top of the Arch also costs, but it's a must-see if you visit the Arch.

    Oh, if you go to the Arch, DON'T park with your gun in the parking garage. I believe that is considered federal property and security could hang you for having a gun in your car. I'd park on the street if you want to visit the Arch.

    Absolutely, under no circumstances, carry onto the Arch grounds, which covers a lot of area including the parking garage. Don't get caught thinking all those grassy fields that look like a park, with those tree-lined walking lanes, are good to carry.

    If you're walking around downtown after dark,
    1. Don't. But if you do,
    2. Be prepared for the worst.

    Oh, bring a good hat for the game. It will probably be scorching here in August.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One of Many View Post
    I usually pick up I-44 near the split with I-55 close to the river, instead of driving way out of the way to go around the metro area. I go through the metro area, using the shortest route, which takes me past Kingshighway on I-44. Kingshighway was mentioned with respect to the I-64 closure, which is why I asked.
    This route is good. The I-64 work does not impede the downtown area near the 55/44 split. That is the route we take when we pass into the PR of Illinois for our dash across to Kentucky.

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