flying to MI, anything extra I should know?

flying to MI, anything extra I should know?

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    Question flying to MI, anything extra I should know?

    I'll be flying from KC to Detroit, gonna be up there for a few days. My wife's grandpa is passing on today and I'm in the funeral.

    I'll be doing my research on MI CCW laws, but is there anything extra I should know? carry in church, funeral home, car carry, must notify officer, etc.

    I'll also do some searching around here, just wondering what I can learn from those wiser and more experienced.

    Thanks in advance!!

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    Your best source is................

    http://handgunlaw.us/states/michigan.pdf
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    Here's a tip from MadMac:

    Make sure you put that orange tag the airline check-in clerk hands you on the outside of your gun safe. I know the rules say it goes inside.

    I took my Kimber to/from Detroit in my COM safe and two Detroit cops came to the gate (on my return flight to NC) to get me saying I hadn't notified the agent I had a handgun in my checked bag. I told them I had. In Detroit, they scan all checked bags, and will come looking for you if they have to unlock your safe to find the tag.

    I showed the two officers my CHP, and the cop immediately informed the TSA supervisor I was "OK" as I had a CHP (mine is from NC). The TSA still took my key to check out the inside of the safe and found the orange tag - all legal and proper.

    The TSA supervisor offered to trade me straight up for his Glock. I said, "No thanks." We all had a chuckle, and everything was fine.

    I found Michigan a pretty gun-friendly state. Check out specifics at the handgunlaw.us site.

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    Having grown up in MI, I get back there occasionally from MN.

    My advice is that you are very clear on where you cannot carry--it is certainly more restrictive there than my state, so I had to get in touch with their laws to stay clear of trouble.

    Plus, their penalties are severe if you mess up--don't mess up...
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    Off the back of my permit.....

    You must notify police

    You may not carry at a school, on school property, day care center, child placing agency, sports arena, stadium, bar or tavern licensed to serve liquor, church, synagogue, mosque,temple,or any other place of worship, entertainment facility seating more than 2500, hospital, dormitory, or classroom of a college or university or casino....

    Hope this helps.

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    in MO there are similar prohibited places, but then the statute says this about the penalty... "Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions 1) to (17) of subsection 20 of this section by any individual who holds concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to this section shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises."
    so in MO, it is a "leave-lest-trespassing", is the penalty statute similar in MI?
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    Well, I was ready and going to jump in and help out, but it looks like others have already covered the bases.

    Have a safe trip and my condolensces you and your family.
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    If you get stopped by an officer in Michigan what you have to do is FIRST tell them you have a Concealed Pistol License, then inform them whether or not you are carrying, and if you are carrying where the pistol is located.

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    28.425o Premises on which carrying concealed weapon prohibited; “premises” defined; exceptions to subsection (1); violation; penalties.
    Sec. 5o.
    (1) Subject to subsection (4), an individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol, or who is exempt from licensure under section 12a(1)(f), shall not carry a concealed pistol on the premises of any of the following:
    (a) A school or school property except that a parent or legal guardian of a student of the school is not precluded from carrying a concealed pistol while in a vehicle on school property, if he or she is dropping the student off at the school or picking up the child from the school. As used in this section, "school" and "school property" mean those terms as defined in section 237a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.237a.
    (b) A public or private child care center or day care center, public or private child caring institution, or public or private child placing agency.
    (c) A sports arena or stadium.
    (d) A bar or tavern licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, where the primary source of income of the business is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass and consumed on the premises. This subdivision does not apply to an owner or employee of the business. The Michigan liquor control commission shall develop and make available to holders of licenses under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, an appropriate sign stating that "This establishment prohibits patrons from carrying concealed weapons". The owner or operator of an establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, may, but is not required to, post the sign developed under this subdivision. A record made available by an establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, necessary to enforce this subdivision is exempt from disclosure under the freedom of information act, 1976 PA 442, MCL 15.231 to 15.246.
    (e) Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official or officials of the church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship permit the carrying of concealed pistol on that property or facility.
    (f) An entertainment facility with a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals or that has a sign above each public entrance stating in letters not less than 1-inch high a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals.
    (g) A hospital.
    (h) A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university.
    (2) An individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol, or who is exempt from licensure under section 12a(1)(f), shall not carry a concealed pistol in violation of R 432.1212 or a successor rule of the Michigan administrative code promulgated under the Michigan gaming control and revenue act, 1996 IL 1, MCL 432.201 to 432.226.
    (3) As used in subsection (1), "premises" does not include parking areas of the places identified under subsection (1).
    (4) Subsection (1) does not apply to any of the following:
    (a) An individual licensed under this act who is a retired police officer or retired law enforcement officer. The concealed weapon licensing board may require a letter from the law enforcement agency stating that the retired police officer or law enforcement officer retired in good standing.
    (b) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is employed or contracted by an entity described under subsection (1) to provide security services and is required by his or her employer or the terms of a contract to carry a concealed firearm on the premises of the employing or contracting entity.
    (c) An individual who is licensed as a private investigator or private detective under the professional investigator licensure act, 1965 PA 285, MCL 338.821 to 338.851.
    (d) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a corrections officer of a county sheriff's department.
    (e) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a motor carrier officer or capitol security officer of the department of state police.
    (f) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a member of a sheriff's posse.
    (g) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is an auxiliary officer or reserve officer of a police or sheriff's department.
    (h) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a parole or probation officer of the department of corrections.
    (i) A state court judge or state court retired judge who is licensed under this act. The concealed weapon licensing board may require a state court retired judge to obtain and carry a letter from the judicial tenure commission stating that the state court retired judge is in good standing as authorized under section 30 of article VI of the state constitution of 1963, and rules promulgated under that section, in order to qualify under this subdivision.
    (5) An individual who violates this section is responsible for a state civil infraction or guilty of a crime as follows:
    (a) Except as provided in subdivisions (b) and (c), the individual is responsible for a state civil infraction and may be fined not more than $500.00. The court shall order the individual's license to carry a concealed pistol suspended for 6 months.
    (b) For a second violation, the individual is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not more than $1,000.00. The court shall order the individual's license to carry a concealed pistol revoked.
    (c) For a third or subsequent violation, the individual is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 4 years or a fine of not more than $5,000.00, or both. The court shall order the individual's license to carry a concealed pistol revoked.
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    "any other place of worship"

    For MI, I wonder if this could include funeral home or grave yard? I've carried in both, but never considered till now.

    To OP, sorry to hear about the wife's grandfather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanis View Post
    "any other place of worship"

    For MI, I wonder if this could include funeral home or grave yard? I've carried in both, but never considered till now.

    To OP, sorry to hear about the wife's grandfather.
    Any other place of worship is the attempt to include all other religious "houses" such as Buddhist temples. I am sure if the Legislature attempted to list all of the houses of worship they would have excluded someone. Churches, synagogues, Temples, etc Wikipedia "A place of worship or house of worship is an establishment or other location where a group of people (a congregation) comes to perform acts of religious praise, honour, or devotion."

    Also, sorry to her about your loss.
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    Place of Worship

    A funeral home or cemetary,I don't believe, are places of worship as no congregation regularly meets there to worship. They come to mourn the passing of a loved one and celebrate a life. Also you can go in eateries that serve alcohol. You just can't go in a bar whose primatry source of income is on site drink sales. A good rule of thuimb is if you walk in and you can't figure out if its a bar or eatery, it's a bar. I'm sorry for your family's loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chains1240
    If you get stopped by an officer in Michigan what you have to do is FIRST tell them you have a Concealed Pistol License, then inform them whether or not you are carrying, and if you are carrying where the pistol is located.
    The above is not quite correct. You don't need to inform of anything (CPL, etc.) if you're not carrying. If you ARE carrying, you MUST notify IMMEDIATELY on initial contact if STOPPED by any LEO.

    Bars and Taverns are off limits, but restaurants that serve alcohol are fine. We have a 51% rule where the establishment derives 51% or more of their sales from the sale of alcohol for consumption on premises, they are off limits. This is a big grey area though, as no one is required to post a 51% sign (never seen one in fact!), so not only don't YOU know, the LEO's don't really know either. We generally use our own judgement and with common sense, you should be fine (if they serve a lot of food and have more than just a burger/grill type menu, you should be okay).

    Can't drink while carrying though, .02% BAC limit. If you're going to drink, unloading it and putting it in the trunk makes you legal, but you still have to notify.

    Churches are off limits without permission of the person of authority, funeral homes and cemeteries are not places of worship.

    Michigan honors ALL others States permit/licenses, as long as the holder RESIDES in the issuing State. Carrying in the car is fine (w/permit/license).

    Open carry is actually legal here, but few citizens, LEO's or even gun owners are even aware of this, so unless you're an activist looking to raise awareness and prepared to deal with the attention, keep it concealed.

    We have State preemption, so local governments and municipalities cannot make a more restrictive carry law for their jurisdiction (firearms only, there is no other weapon permitted or licensed to be carried for self defense, to include knives- knife carry laws are tenuous, and vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction- a concealed fixed blade of ANY length is a felony, as is a double edged blade carried concealed).

    For some good information based on the law, check the CCW FAQ of the Michigan State Police here. Also check the comeplete list of Pistol Free Areas here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    Off the back of my permit.....

    You must notify police

    You may not carry at a school, on school property, day care center, child placing agency, sports arena, stadium, bar or tavern licensed to serve liquor, church, synagogue, mosque,temple,or any other place of worship, entertainment facility seating more than 2500, hospital, dormitory, or classroom of a college or university or casino....

    Hope this helps.


    My God... where CAN you carry in MI? Seems like quite the list

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    After a quick read of the posts, and I may have missed it, I notice that there has not yet been a mention of the fact that you cannot carry in a casino. In fact you cannot even carry in the parking lot of a casino and plan to leave your pistol in the car. Handgunlaw.us covers this, but it is special to note that the other 'no carry' areas don' include the parking lots of said areas. Casinos are unique in that even the parking areas of off limits.

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