Legal vs. Illegal Handguns in Crime - Any Statistics?

Legal vs. Illegal Handguns in Crime - Any Statistics?

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    Question Legal vs. Illegal Handguns in Crime - Any Statistics?

    Does anyone know of an official source, compiling/listing whether handgun crimes have been committed with legally owned handguns, vs. illegal handguns?

    I have yet to find a definitive answer to this question. Usually crime statistics just tell the type of firearm, but never whether it was obtained legally or illegally.

    Any thoughts?
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    I have not seen any such statistics. What I have noticed is that almost without exception when a gun crime is reported in the newsy, the story either involves
    young people who should not have had a gun, or felons who should not have been in possession. I'd guess that only a very tiny amount of crime involving guns happens with weapons legally possessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I'd guess that only a very tiny amount of crime involving guns happens with weapons legally possessed.
    That only happens on episodes of Law & Order.
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    Don't have any national statistics, but locally I have been advised that 98% of the guns involved in crimes are ILLEGAL.
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    I think you can find some statistics in the books "More Guns, Less Crime" and the "The Bias Against Guns".

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2edgesword View Post
    I think you can find some statistics in the books "More Guns, Less Crime" and the "The Bias Against Guns".
    Thanks, I'll see if I can get it through my library system One would think that these statistics would be published on the Internet, somewhere.
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    well thats the problem

    If the statistics were easy to come by or thumped on as hard as other less telling statistics a whole group of lobbyists would not have jobs. (isn't obama all about saving jobs?)

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    What is an illegal handgun???

    or do you mean someone who is a prohibited person who possesses a firearm?
    Magazine <> clip - know the difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    What is an illegal handgun???

    or do you mean someone who is a prohibited person who possesses a firearm?
    Either one, IMO, would imply an illegal handgun.

    Although the point could be made, I guess, that if someone invaded my home, and managed to get my legal handgun and shoot me with it, then at that moment, he/she would be in possesion of an illegal handgun.
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    Illegal handgun?

    Sort of like a person born out of wedlock. An "illegitimate" person.

    I'm old enough to remember those days.
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    The FBI has the uniform crime reports
    Federal Bureau of Investigation - Uniform Crime Reports
    Crime in the United States 2007

    They break the data out by state & city, arrests versus crime, for various crimes. I didn't see what you are looking for, but lots of interesting data there.

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    More importantly how many illegal handguns started out legally ? I mean if they were being stored secure when not in use then they shouldnt be large numbers of stolen handguns.

    I did read one study that said something like 93% of guns in illegal circulation are \ have been supplied by 3% of legal owners (ie dodgy gun dealers and individuals).

    Which means the rest are illegally imported or stolen.
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    Maybe there's something in here.

    Gun Facts - Your guide for debunking gun control myth

    I didn't have time to look through it myself.

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