% of Gun Crimes by CCW Holders

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    % of Gun Crimes by CCW Holders

    With all the negative media on guns...I wonder just how many of the crimes that involve weapons are done by legal CCW holders.

    I wish the news would figure out that it is the idiot behind the trigger that does the crime....not the gun itself
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    Post Not Sure Of The Exact % Nationwide

    It's EXTREMELY LOW though.
    Here in PGH it is a fraction of 1% ~ if even that.
    And PGH is Shall Issue with absolutely no testing - no required range time or any sort qualification required except for the thorough background check.

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    In Mi is something like .004% such a small number it is insignificant.
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    I believe states track the revocation of CHL licenses for various CHL infractions. Here are the 2001 statistics for Texas.

    2001 Conviction Rates of CHL Holders (Texas):

    OFFENSE : Statistics, In Order:

    Conviction Count of Licensed Individuals*
    Conviction Count of Non-Licensed Individuals**

    Percentage of Total Convictions Committed by Licensed Individuals

    MURDER (Title 5, Chapter 19)

    1
    157

    0.63%

    KIDNAPPING (Title 5, Chapter 20)

    0
    124

    0.00%

    SEXUAL ASSAULT (Title 5, Chapter 21)

    9
    1,359

    0.66%

    ROBBERY (Title 7, Chapter 29)

    0
    1,360

    0.00%

    AGGRAVATED ASSAULT (Title 5, Chapter 22)

    17
    2,259

    0.75%

    ASSAULT (Title 5, Chapter 22)

    54
    17,309

    0.31%

    TERRORISTIC THREAT (Title 5, Chapter 22)

    5
    1,229

    0.41%

    BURGLARY (Title 7, Chapter 30)

    1
    5,675

    0.02%

    INDECENCY WITH A CHILD (Title 5, Chapter 22)

    19
    929

    2.00%

    INDECENT EXPOSURE (Title 5, Chapter 22)

    5
    543

    0.91%

    FAIL OR REFUSE TO DISPLAY CONCEALED HANDGUN LICENSE (Subchapter H)

    0
    0

    0.00%

    UNLAWFULLY CARRYING HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER (Title 10, Chapter 46)


    25
    0

    100.00%

    UNLAWFULLY CARRYING WEAPON (Title 10, Chapter 46)

    22
    2,905

    0.75%

    POSSESSION OF COMPONENTS OF EXPLOSIVES (Title 10, Chapter 46)

    0
    4

    0.00%

    UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF FIREARM BY FELON
    (WEAPONS FREE ZONE) (Title 10, Chapter 46)


    0
    1

    0.00%

    DEADLY CONDUCT DISCHARGE FIREARM
    (Title 10, Chapter 46)


    1
    102

    0.97%

    HOAX BOMBS (Title 10, Chapter 46)

    0
    2

    0.00%

    MAKE FIREARM ACCESSIBLE TO CHILD DEATH/SERIOUS BODILY INJURY (Title 10, Chapter 46)

    0
    5

    0.00%

    HARASSMENT (Title 5, Chapter 22)

    21
    1,013

    2.03%

    COERCE SOLICIT INDUCE GANG MEMBERSHIP
    (Title 5, Chapter 22)


    0
    94

    0.00%

    TOTAL CONVICTED OFFENSES

    180
    35,070

    0.51064%




    *Individuals that held active Texas Concealed Handgun Licenses at the time of arrest

    **Individuals that did not hold an active Texas Concealed Handgun License at the time of the arrest.

    These are the raw statistics. They numbers speak for themselves.

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    Hazarding a guess, here in FL it is also some very small number, but one that is probably blown completely out of proportion by the anti-gun side.
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    The percentage of crimes committed by CCW holders is much lower than the percentage of crimes commited by the population at large. This is a statistical fact and comes from, if I remember correctly, an analysis of Florida's Shall-Issue law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock
    I believe states track the revocation of CHL licenses for various CHL infractions. Here are the 2001 statistics for Texas.
    R&G, I think to really answer the question being asked you'd have to compare the number of holders convicted to the total number of Texas CC's. (Where is Euc?)
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    Care to explain this to a dumb Canuk?

    UNLAWFULLY CARRYING HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER (Title 10, Chapter 46)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin
    Care to explain this to a dumb Canuk?

    UNLAWFULLY CARRYING HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER (Title 10, Chapter 46)
    I don't know the specifics, but 100% of the offenders were CCW permit holders! Seems pretty clear to me - permit holders are obviously unsavory scofflaws who simply can't be trusted...
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    Not sure if there is definitive data nationwide but we can be pretty certain that CCW miscreants are a very small number - pretty much ''drop in the ocean'' - and it's certainly not in any way worthy of penalizing the almost total majority for the sins of the very few.

    Zero transgressions would be ideal - but this ain't an ideal world!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin
    UNLAWFULLY CARRYING HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER (Title 10, Chapter 46)
    I'm guessing didn't have proper ID and whatnot at time of infraction

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    Florida, time frame: 10/1/87 - 2/28/06
    Licenses Issued: 1,123,373
    Licenses Revoked: 3,681
    Clemency Rule Change
    or Legislative Change 66
    Illegible Prints With
    No Response 10
    Crime Prior to Licensure 508
    Crime After Licensure 2,976
    --Firearm Utilized-- [157]
    Other 121
    Reinstated* 445
    (* Statistics regarding number of licenses reinstated not maintained
    prior to January 1990.)

    If you include all revocations it comes to 0.3%.
    If you use firearms violations only it drops to 0.01%
    Do notice that the number of reinstatements is higher than the number of revoked licenses by firearms violations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin
    Care to explain this to a dumb Canuk?

    UNLAWFULLY CARRYING HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER (Title 10, Chapter 46)
    Carrying a weapon without having your license on your person.

    *edit*
    But could also be.. carrying into a courthouse, school, racetrack, federal building, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy
    Florida, time frame: 10/1/87 - 2/28/06
    If you include all revocations it comes to 0.3%.
    If you use firearms violations only it drops to 0.01%
    These are a lot closer to what I'd expect to see given what I've read in various places over the last few years.
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    Miggy's post brings up an important point that must be considered when looking at these statistics. Not all, in fact I'd venture to say very few, crimes comitted by CCW holders actually involved a use of the weapon. Since CCW holders comitting crimes with their firearm is what the anti's are always whining about, I think these studies should make it a point to include the actual number of "gun crimes."

    Of course, I guess "Indecent exposure" could sorta be included...("this is my weapon, this is my gun..." )
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