The price a culture pays
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"Huff had guns that were legal to possess. The guns he used in the killings appear to have been bought legally, ...
March 29th, 2006 12:56 PM
Quote from the story:
"Huff had guns that were legal to possess. The guns he used in the killings appear to have been bought legally, which is disturbing, given the sneaky lethalness of his 12-gauge and his past gun trouble.
The Capitol Hill slayings present an opportunity for people to talk about how our nation is overrun with guns, including high-caliber assault rifles and semiautomatics."
Yes...let's not waste a minute thinking about what might cause a person to go bonkers and kill a group of partygoers...
Having access to firearms doesn't initiate psychopathic behavior. Some form of rot in his brain (drugs, alcohol, mental illness?) caused him to act out his wacked fantasy.
But, it's much easier to blame an inanimate object than take a look at how our "do it if it feels good" society may be playing into these killings...
"I surrounded 'em"- Alvin York
"They're ain't many troubles that a man can't fix with seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six"- Jeff Cooper
March 29th, 2006 12:56 PM
March 29th, 2006 01:19 PM
In California, the local media outlets actually ARE blaming vehicles for the actions of their owners. Specifically, SUV's.
In various reports, it's usually always mentioned when an SUV is involved. When referenced, it's "the SUV drove into the crowd...", or "the SUV careened down the freeway..."
March 29th, 2006 01:22 PM
By the way...I just opened up my safe and took a look at my collection. I even touched a couple of my firearms to wipe them down.
The only 'craving' I had was for more oatmeal...and maybe some orange juice. Then I closed the safe door.
I didn't see any sneaky lethalness.
March 29th, 2006 01:40 PM
I sent the author a brief, polite email. Everyone should take a moment to do the same. Imagine if we bury him in politely worded emails.
Last edited by havegunjoe; March 29th, 2006 at 06:05 PM.
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March 29th, 2006 01:43 PM
Careful, MRex21, lest one of those sneaky shotguns leap out of the gunsafe at you. I've never observed independent behavior in one of my firearms, but they may just sneakily be waiting until I am caught unawares (at least according to Mr. Jamieson)....
Seriously, my sincere sympathy goes out to the families of the victims of this killer's (not his firearms') senseless act.
March 29th, 2006 03:00 PM
Remember one thing. No matter how many gun control laws there are the only people that will be affected are law abiding citizens. The criminals don't follow the laws and will always have guns no matter what. We need to
look at where the real problem was with each situation and deal with the root cause. This guy could have just as easily got in his truck and drove it through the front of the house. What do you do then ban trucks. Training
our kids while they are young is what is needed. Helping them to understand that partying and being at a Rave or after Rave party is something that nothing good can come of. Had that party not happened with I'm sure
mind altering drugs present this whole situation would have been avoided. So ban the Raves and get stricter on drug laws. Ban the guns and we all will be in big trouble. Right to carry laws are needed to make sure that law
abiding citizens can arm themselves against the criminals is the only answer.
No, it probably would not have helped in this situation because there probably was not a law abiding citizen amongst the Rave party group. Speak of the
real issues and stop blaming objects.
March 29th, 2006 03:10 PM
Well, you guys have it all wrong.
Here's the difference:
When you're behind the wheel of a car, the car doesn't take over your central nervous system, turning you into a crazed killer, like touching a gun does.
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March 29th, 2006 03:30 PM
Originally Posted by nitrogen
Actually I'm Casper Milquetoast until I get behind the wheel of a vehicle. Then I turn into Hannibal Lecter. Look they are already trying to take away my guns, so don't give them any ideas. This is my only means of expressing the violence that came to inhabit me the first time I held a 1911 in my hand. It just took over my ... hey you already said that. Anyway please don't take away my assault weapon (Dodge Ram).
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March 29th, 2006 03:58 PM
What we all don't realize is that there are no law abiding citizens. We are all criminals just waiting to get caught (they actually teach this, and you'd be surprised where).
I for one actually wear my seat-belt since I got my CCW - that of course proves that I didn't wear it before, making me a law breaking criminal!
March 29th, 2006 04:06 PM
Ok now you have me thinking...Where?
they actually teach this, and you'd be surprised where
I encourage peace and carry one!
March 29th, 2006 06:02 PM
I know I'm being vague, but I still have to live and work around here...
Instructor - "Raise your hand if you have ever done something that could have landed you in prison. Have you ever smoked pot, driven more than 35 mph over the speed limit.....You've all done something that could have made you end up in prison if you had been caught."
And of course my boring life didn't qualify for landing me in prison - Only person in the room without their hand up.
March 29th, 2006 06:15 PM
The "news" reporter/Seattle paper is another idiotic knee-jerk liberal response. They want to be social engineers and have us all sitting in little boxes with nothing but to be spoon fed their lies.
Maybe someone up in Seattle can send him a copy of Larry Elder's DVD: "Michael & Me". http://www.larryelder.com/
"To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them."
"Gun control is a job-safety program for criminals."
John R. Lott
March 29th, 2006 06:17 PM
What an idiot. I am getting a little tired of journalists using improper terminology. There is one more reason to own a pistol grip shotgun. To legally defend your family and home, although a pg shotty is really only good for door breaches IMO. Just because he owns more than 1 firearm he is a criminal. The 2nd ammendment is a right, unlike many other things in todays world. Driving a car, having cable television, high-speed internet, cell-phones are all luxuries and a privilage not a right. How do you think most people would respond if you had to get a license to use a cell-phone and if you pulled it out when you weren't using it you could go to jail/be fined?
March 29th, 2006 06:21 PM
Cheer!? that would be some useful legislation!!!! j/k
Originally Posted by '75scout
March 29th, 2006 06:50 PM
Someone mentioned SUVs.... my wife drives a Ford Excursion and plenty of people don't like it, like "it" is some kind of living entity. She's even had a few people make remarks about why someone would have such a thing (but she's like me, an old biker-type person, and she just tells them off...).
Actually, I think these people are intimidated by it because they have no self-confidence (I'm probably not using the correct term here -- but it's just how I feel).
Like the journalist who wrote the article and is afraid of "guns" like they jump up and shoot people.
Sheep want everyone else to be sheep, too. Must give them a sense of herd closeness or some such thing.
Well, I'd better go check on my old Dodge diesel truck. It might have run off and flattened a building or something....
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