This is a discussion on Concealed S&W 500 4" within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I'll calculate the recoil. First is a 642 with a hot +p load, the 158gr LSWC. Generally considered the upper limit of what folks can ...
I'll calculate the recoil. First is a 642 with a hot +p load, the 158gr LSWC. Generally considered the upper limit of what folks can control in .38 airweights. The recoil energy is 10.4 Ft/lbs at .8 lb/sec. With the Nyclad, a great non +p defense load, it goes to 7.2 Ft/lbs at .7 lb/sec. Many find the .357 mag uncomfortable in an airweight snub and prefer the .38+p for SD or for practice. In the airweight J you get 13.1 Ft/lbs at .9 lb/sec with a 125gr DPX.
The .500 is a whole different story.
The 275 gr Barnes bullet is designed for rapid expansion. I assume it would be the best to minimize the huge amount of overpenetration.
32.4 Ft/lbs of recoil energy at 2.7lb/sec.
With a hunting type 375gr DPX you get 47.8 ft/lbs at 3.2 lb/sec. With the big 500gr hard cast lead bullet "the flying beer keg" you get an unbelieveable 71.9 ft/lb at 4.0 lb/sec.
The .38 snub is not even in the same ballpark.
If you want my opinion, unless you have angry Sumo wrestlers stalking you go a bit lighter.
I'm inspired....I think I'll CC my M1.
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Disagree subierex - why not go all the way to 45-70??
Remember some time back there was a tv show with a fellow that carried a T/C 14" in 35 Rem. Thought that was big . . .
As for the ported barrel reducing the muzzle flash at night - you are kidding yourself. You'll light up the night like a flare.
Back-on-target times are very important. With a round like that, there is a very good chance it could pass right through your opponent without striking vital organs. If it takes three seconds to get back on target, you could be done. Don't depend on that first shot!
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Well, if you HAVE to shoot someone in a SD situation, the cops are going to hear about it...literally...from a miles away.
Kidding aside, I see no reason to carry such a huge pistol...expensive to shoot, and more difficult (not impossible) to conceal than most other choices of a SD weapon.
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As you can see, the recoil is about 4 1/2 times as much in the 500. Considering that's from a gun that weighs 3 1/2 lbs. to begin with, that's massive.
Here's my personal experience with the 500. My shooting buddy bought two of them. The 8" and the 4". He gave me the 8" gun with a full cylinder (5 rounds). I fired 3 rounds, opened the cylinder and gave him the back the gun. All I wanted. In less than two cylinders from the 4", the front sight went flying off and he had to send it back to S&W for repair. And just to clarify, I'm not exactly a tiny guy at 6'6" and 400 lbs. and my deer rifle is a 300 Win Mag or a 45/70 with my handloads. I'm not recoil sensitive, but the 500 is, in my opinion, beyond severe. My friend probably fired less than 75 rounds out of the two guns before he sold them both. On his last range outing, he fired 18 rounds from the 8" gun and his hand went numb. It stayed that way for almost two weeks and he was beginning to be worried that he had damaged the nerves in his hand. That's when he sold the gun. BTW, he's 6'4", 300 lbs.
I like power, and I have no problems with revolvers. Knocking the moon out of orbit may be a problem, but if you are "Physically" big enough to carry comfortably and handle a .50 without any problems, I say go for it. But one of my first rules for any CCW in order are Practice, Practice, and Practice. This can get real real expensive with a.50 You will also have to be careful about what else is in your field of fire like we all are supposed to anyway, but with the .50 even if you hit the BG you have to worry about blowing through both doors of a car, most non load bearing walls, smaller structures etc.. Even if you are not dealing with legal issues of carrying a .50 as a CCW (depending on State), an anti-gun DA can have a field day. Just some food for thought.
I am deciding between a 1911/10mm or a Raging Bull 2.5in (.45 LC) in my SD rotation (Vehicle Gun). Although the Raging Bull could shoot .454’s they would be for the range and hiking/camping.
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puncho, why not just carry a cop....
Can someone give me a ball park percentage change in the recoil compared to a S&W 642 with .38+P ammo?
I have never shot one either, let me guess.... 1000%
You might want to read the thread "Anyone drop down in caliber?"
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