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This is a discussion on Just a thought. within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by rennox People who think the democrats are going to take away their guns are being drama queens. I am with you on ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rennox View Post
    People who think the democrats are going to take away their guns are being drama queens.
    I am with you on that one!!!!!


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    Obama and his liberal anti gun allies don't really need to submit any laws, they'll do what they have been doing for years: legislate from the bench. The US Supreme Court upheld the right to bear arms by a 5-4 vote. With a liberal like Obama able to appoint judges that lean his way, and a liberal controlled congress that will confirm these appointees to the Supreme Court, they will be able to swing the vote their way.

    Consider this: Sotomayor just replaced the liberal Souter. But we also have Ruth Bader Ginsburg who just underwent cancer surgery, and John Paul Stevens who is already 89. That's two more potential retirements during Obama's term. How did these justices vote? What if one of the 5 justices that voted in favor of the right to bear arms retires? Then Obama and his liberal controlled congress will be able to appoint and confirm a justice that will vote their way. THEN I'm pretty sure they will challenge the 2nd ammendment again.

    Legislation from the bench is the liberal, anti gun way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LM2024 View Post
    Obama and his liberal anti gun allies don't really need to submit any laws, they'll do what they have been doing for years: legislate from the bench. The US Supreme Court upheld the right to bear arms by a 5-4 vote. With a liberal like Obama able to appoint judges that lean his way, and a liberal controlled congress that will confirm these appointees to the Supreme Court, they will be able to swing the vote their way.

    Consider this: Sotomayor just replaced the liberal Souter. But we also have Ruth Bader Ginsburg who just underwent cancer surgery, and John Paul Stevens who is already 89. That's two more potential retirements during Obama's term. How did these justices vote? What if one of the 5 justices that voted in favor of the right to bear arms retires? Then Obama and his liberal controlled congress will be able to appoint and confirm a justice that will vote their way. THEN I'm pretty sure they will challenge the 2nd ammendment again.

    Legislation from the bench is the liberal, anti gun way.
    Thats exactly what i am afraid of, they will slowly make the changes that will forever effect our 2A rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PackN View Post
    If you really believe that statement then explain why you can't go to walmart and buy a box of bullets?
    The ammo shortage is already abating. However, the shortage was due to the boom in gun sales, which was in turn due to fears about the Obama administration. Some of those fears were justified. Many were not.

    Do you actually think they are pro 2a?
    Some are, some aren't.

    Ever heard of communism, that's what the dem's want.
    Wow, my Grandfather, and late uncle and father, all veterans and all Democrats, would be shocked to hear that they were pro-Communist.

    They want to be able to tell what boot to put on first. They want to control your life.
    Indeed, some Democrats do want to control your life. As do many Republicans. One of the greatest myths of American politics is that Republicans want to take government out of our lives. It's garbage. The difference between Democrats and Republicans is only which parts of your life they want to intrude upon.

    Google it. They want prayer out of schools. They want to take God out of the Pledge.
    You didn't bother reading the thread. I'll repeat it. There is no law against prayer in school. Students may pray as much as they like, so long as they don't disturb other students (the same standard as any other speech or expression). What the law says is that the school can't involve themselves in that prayer. I can assure you, kids can and do pray in school all the time, and even evil heathen atheists like me don't have the slightest problem with it.

    As for the Pledge, we shouldn't have it in the first place, but aside from that, the "God" part was shoehorned in long after it was composed. And here's a little secret that will really get under your skin: the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a Socialist!

    Many of us believe our Nation was founded under God
    You are welcome to believe that.

    if we slowly take God out of everything, like some are trying to do, we will reap what we sew.
    You are also welcome to believe that. And I'm welcome to believe that it's superstitious nonsense. Either way, the government has no business taking a position. You can believe what you want to believe, and I'd fight for your right to believe it. Would you do the same for me?

    Quote Originally Posted by doctorw View Post
    Just a thought about the school prayer issue. Regardless of what your beliefs are, what group does the ACLU fight? They fight the Christians.
    No they don't. Do some more searching and you will have no trouble finding cases where the ACLU fought on the side of Christians.

    Quote Originally Posted by LM2024 View Post
    Obama and his liberal anti gun allies don't really need to submit any laws, they'll do what they have been doing for years: legislate from the bench.
    Yet another political myth: only liberals legislate from the bench. Again, nonsense. Truth is, the real definition of an "activist judge" is a judge that issues a decision that you disagree with.

    Something else to consider. Judicial appointments have a way of not going the way you think they will. Supreme Court nominees are notorious for it, but even further down the chain, they don't always do what they are "supposed" to do. Look at this very recent decision: Gun Rights Don't Apply In Domestic Violence Cases, Appeals Court Rules - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    Long story short: A three judge panel issued a 2-1 decision that could be described as against second amendment rights. The two that voted the wrong way were appointed by George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush. The judge that voted the right way was appointed by Bill Clinton.

    You never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PackN View Post
    ajohn151- My apologize for being ignorant of the facts. I was exaggerating to some point with the Communism. I will hush up and just keep looking for bullets and keep looking for small CC weapons, that were readily available at any walmart or any gun store before the election.

    Majorlk- IMHO taking "under god" out of the pledge is removing God from it. I guess we got a different definition of God. If they take "in god we trust" off money does that remove God from money? Just curious.
    Its all good! You were on a rant. Everyone does it.

    I do think though that was a good example of one of the problems we face today. Our media/government has us pitted against each other. Things and people are black or white (I do NOT mean race). In my opinion our media has galvanized us. You are either a Lib or a Con, Dem or Rep. And if you are one or the other you automatically believe certain things. I say bull hockey!

    I am of the opinion that we are all Americans with differing views. Granted some views are a bit twisted IMHO . It's been said a bizillion times, but the wonderful thing about America is that we can openly debate and respect each others views even when we disagree.

    I am what some might consider liberal; however I strongly believe in 2A, which is normally considered a conservative view. I believe health care is a HUMAN right, not a benefit solely of ones affluence. But I also do not believe in the welfare state mentality, also considered a conservative view.

    My point is that labels are pointless. It pits us against each other and we all loose in the end.....United we Stand....

    But back to the OP, I do think that the great "Gun Run of 2009" has been a great thing for the 2A. I believe we are better off now than we were prior to the election because it has reminded the government we are armed.

    just my 2c

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