August 14th, 2009 10:17 PM
I am with you on that one!!!!!
Originally Posted by rennox
August 14th, 2009 10:25 PM
Obama and his liberal anti gun allies don't really need to submit any laws, they'll do what they have been doing for years: legislate from the bench. The US Supreme Court upheld the right to bear arms by a 5-4 vote. With a liberal like Obama able to appoint judges that lean his way, and a liberal controlled congress that will confirm these appointees to the Supreme Court, they will be able to swing the vote their way.
Consider this: Sotomayor just replaced the liberal Souter. But we also have Ruth Bader Ginsburg who just underwent cancer surgery, and John Paul Stevens who is already 89. That's two more potential retirements during Obama's term. How did these justices vote? What if one of the 5 justices that voted in favor of the right to bear arms retires? Then Obama and his liberal controlled congress will be able to appoint and confirm a justice that will vote their way. THEN I'm pretty sure they will challenge the 2nd ammendment again.
Legislation from the bench is the liberal, anti gun way.
August 14th, 2009 10:51 PM
Thats exactly what i am afraid of, they will slowly make the changes that will forever effect our 2A rights.
Originally Posted by LM2024
August 15th, 2009 12:38 AM
The ammo shortage is already abating. However, the shortage was due to the boom in gun sales, which was in turn due to fears about the Obama administration. Some of those fears were justified. Many were not.
Originally Posted by PackN
Some are, some aren't.
Do you actually think they are pro 2a?
Wow, my Grandfather, and late uncle and father, all veterans and all Democrats, would be shocked to hear that they were pro-Communist.
Ever heard of communism, that's what the dem's want.
Indeed, some Democrats do want to control your life. As do many Republicans. One of the greatest myths of American politics is that Republicans want to take government out of our lives. It's garbage. The difference between Democrats and Republicans is only which parts of your life they want to intrude upon.
They want to be able to tell what boot to put on first. They want to control your life.
You didn't bother reading the thread. I'll repeat it. There is no law against prayer in school. Students may pray as much as they like, so long as they don't disturb other students (the same standard as any other speech or expression). What the law says is that the school can't involve themselves in that prayer. I can assure you, kids can and do pray in school all the time, and even evil heathen atheists like me don't have the slightest problem with it.
Google it. They want prayer out of schools. They want to take God out of the Pledge.
As for the Pledge, we shouldn't have it in the first place, but aside from that, the "God" part was shoehorned in long after it was composed. And here's a little secret that will really get under your skin: the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a Socialist!
You are welcome to believe that.
Many of us believe our Nation was founded under God
You are also welcome to believe that. And I'm welcome to believe that it's superstitious nonsense. Either way, the government has no business taking a position. You can believe what you want to believe, and I'd fight for your right to believe it. Would you do the same for me?
if we slowly take God out of everything, like some are trying to do, we will reap what we sew.
No they don't. Do some more searching and you will have no trouble finding cases where the ACLU fought on the side of Christians.
Originally Posted by doctorw
Yet another political myth: only liberals legislate from the bench. Again, nonsense. Truth is, the real definition of an "activist judge" is a judge that issues a decision that you disagree with.
Originally Posted by LM2024
Something else to consider. Judicial appointments have a way of not going the way you think they will. Supreme Court nominees are notorious for it, but even further down the chain, they don't always do what they are "supposed" to do. Look at this very recent decision: Gun Rights Don't Apply In Domestic Violence Cases, Appeals Court Rules - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
Long story short: A three judge panel issued a 2-1 decision that could be described as against second amendment rights. The two that voted the wrong way were appointed by George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush. The judge that voted the right way was appointed by Bill Clinton.
You never know.
August 15th, 2009 08:20 AM
Its all good! You were on a rant. Everyone does it.
Originally Posted by PackN
I do think though that was a good example of one of the problems we face today. Our media/government has us pitted against each other. Things and people are black or white (I do NOT mean race). In my opinion our media has galvanized us. You are either a Lib or a Con, Dem or Rep. And if you are one or the other you automatically believe certain things. I say bull hockey!
I am of the opinion that we are all Americans with differing views. Granted some views are a bit twisted IMHO . It's been said a bizillion times, but the wonderful thing about America is that we can openly debate and respect each others views even when we disagree.
I am what some might consider liberal; however I strongly believe in 2A, which is normally considered a conservative view. I believe health care is a HUMAN right, not a benefit solely of ones affluence. But I also do not believe in the welfare state mentality, also considered a conservative view.
My point is that labels are pointless. It pits us against each other and we all loose in the end.....United we Stand....
But back to the OP, I do think that the great "Gun Run of 2009" has been a great thing for the 2A. I believe we are better off now than we were prior to the election because it has reminded the government we are armed.
just my 2c
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