Question for those in Michigan with CCW

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    Great idea........as long as the burglar doesn't cut the phone lines.
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    Well as far as legal costs for self defense
    while using a firearm I can say from personal experience
    it cost me about 20k not 100k.
    but still a lot of money.

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    If the victim has time thats an ideal thing to do so the police know whats going on, where the intruder, and victim are in the house (identify who is who).
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    The 911 call is good evidence to prove you were justified. We do have the castle doctrines and as long as your life was in jeopardy they will protect you. If you shoot someone through a door or a wall then that might be pushing it depending on the DA. In Michigan you have a right to use lethal force to protect you, your family and or property but common sense also need to be in play.

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    You never want to be recorded....

    Quote Originally Posted by Thanis View Post
    I'm 100% positive this is something the instructor informed them and I'm 99% certain they misunderstood. The instructor was just sharing a good idea (if you have time, call 911, be loud and verbal, leave line open). Pros and cons to this, but almost all advise has pros and cons.

    MI has castle doctrine, so my understanding intruder in house, you are justified to defend yourself.

    And you don't want to be recorded saying you are going to shoot someone. What you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. It won't be used for you. You will not be sure what is coming out of your mouth in a high stress attack situation. There is a video by a lawyer called Don't Talk to Police. Google it and listen to it. It runs about 45 minutes and even has a cop telling you the same thing. It is great advice. Unless the Constitution doesn't exist in MI you are not compelled to testify against yourself so keep your mouth shut and don't be recorded. Also unless you are some Mafia Don it won't cost you 100K either. I would have your in-laws question whoever the instructor was about this information they are giving out. What are they basing it on? Absolutely plan on being arrested but the cops are playing the odds that something underhanded is going on. Let a lawyer talk for you.
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    woman on phone w/ 911 after intruder breaks in home (YouTube video)
    YouTube - Armed Citizens: Calling 911 Doesn't Always Work
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    Not sure a lot situations would allow for such choreography.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Landor View Post
    The 911 call is good evidence to prove you were justified. We do have the castle doctrines and as long as your life was in jeopardy they will protect you. If you shoot someone through a door or a wall then that might be pushing it depending on the DA. In Michigan you have a right to use lethal force to protect you, your family and or property but common sense also need to be in play.
    I am unsure if this is correct. Using lethal force to protect your property in Michigan? Could you reference the resources for future use.
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    We were taught something similar in my CPL course, but it's not legally required. They told us that if time is allowed, it's best to get a call into 911 after you've closed the door of your "safe room" w/ all who need to be inside together. Once 911 was on the line, explain your situation and ask them to stay on the line, setting the phone down if you are alone. Phrases like "get out of my house", "the police have been called", "i have a gun", and "I will shoot if you come in here" were all taught, in that order, to be shouted at the intruder. If done correctly, this can help build the case in your favor in the event that shots have to be fired at the BG. It goes to show fair warning to the individual(s) who are in your home illegally. That, along with the Castle Doctrine, should be more than enough to defend yourself in a court of law. The 2 teaching the course were both police officers and even they told us it's generally best not to speak with the police officers afterwards, but to wait until a lawyer is present.
    Granted, this is a textbook best case scenario where you would have time to take all these steps. To each their own to protect themselves and their family with all the variables that could fall into place.

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    Lots of good advice on this thread.

    An excellent way to protect against the legal costs associated with a shooting is to purchase the NRA's Self-Defense coverage. Their coverage offers two policy limits at a reasonable cost. Most Homeowners policies will not cover liability or defense costs arising from a shooting, even if the shooting is justified as self-defense.

    The NRA coverage is available to members at this link:

    NRA Endorsed Insurance - Self Defense Coverage

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaddogg 4040 View Post
    Have you been able to find out who told them this? I just took my CCW class in Michigan a month ago and we were never told anything even close to this at all...

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    Same here. My instructor said you SHOULD call 911, and you SHOULD leave line open so you have a recorded record, and you SHOULD yell for them to stop but you don't HAVE to do any of this.
    You also do not have a requirement to retreat, provided you are somewhere you are legally intitiled to be. Your home definatly counts!

    The prosocuter that taught the legal portion told us that in the 15-20 years he has been doing it he could only recall one or two cases where charges were even filed against a CPL holder. In one case the guy emptied his gun into the others back as he was fleeing.

    It's important to not let your emotions run rampant if you ever do have to draw on someone.

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    Some of the "instructors" that teach the required training sessions think they are lawyers. But they are not even close.Read the statute and understand castle doctrine and you will be fine.If you shoot someone, you will get the rectal exam by the prosecutor anyways, so do some preliminary investigation so you know what to say following a shooting before you mess up. You have the right to an attorney and to remain silent. I'd exercise both those rights until I spoke with the attorney other than to say you were in fear for your own life or that of a loved one.It is wise to ask for medical attention prior to answering any questions too. They can't refuse you and it gives you some time to think and contact your attorney that won't look bad to a jury.

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    Hmm, I was under the impression that the legal portion of the training class required a lawyer. I can't remember if our teacher stated that directly or not... *ponders*

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    Quote Originally Posted by theotherlis View Post
    Hmm, I was under the impression that the legal portion of the training class required a lawyer. I can't remember if our teacher stated that directly or not... *ponders*
    That part was not covered in my CPL class. Although we discussed it in one of my Criminal Justice classes taught by a police officer. Lethal force to stop the threat of death, great bodily harm, rape. Threat must be imminent. Basically what is covered in the previous post that included Stand Your Ground I was discussing this with my wife the other night. If someone broke into the house breaking a window using their elbow and possessed no burglary tools or any other weapons and the homeowner shot and killed them it may be a harder case to prove a person feared for their life. But then again if you are home, asleep with your family and a stranger is also in your home, wouldn't you be plenty afraid? Only you would know. I hope I never find out.
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    Lawyer or Trained in use of deadly force

    Quote Originally Posted by theotherlis View Post
    Hmm, I was under the impression that the legal portion of the training class required a lawyer. I can't remember if our teacher stated that directly or not... *ponders*
    From the Statues:

    (iv) Firearms and the law, including civil liability issues and the use of deadly force. This portion shall be taught by an attorney or an individual trained in the use of deadly force.


    Humm,, wouldn't everyone who has taken the class be "Trained in the use of deadly force", since section iv says they are training us in "use of deadly force"?

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