Possible CHL voided now?

This is a discussion on Possible CHL voided now? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by kspilot536 "does he drink a lot? he can be denied for being a chemically dependent person also" VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV VVVVVVVV How can they ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kspilot536 View Post
    "does he drink a lot? he can be denied for being a chemically dependent person also"
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    How can they determine if a person drinks a lot without documentation?
    Having 2 beers a day is "A LOT" to a morman.
    But it is a lite snack to a college student.

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    Even if he gets adjudicated probation, he would not be eligible... He would have to get his record expunged, in order to be eligible, for the next 5 years after the end of his probation period...

    His conviction does not stop him from being able to carry in his car...
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    "does he drink a lot? he can be denied for being a chemically dependent person also"
    VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV VVVVVVVV
    How can they determine if a person drinks a lot without documentation?
    Having 2 beers a day is "A LOT" to a morman.
    Being chemically dependant has little to do with drinking "a lot". If a person drinks one beer a day, and is habitual about it, then they're probably chemically dependant on that beer.

    Oh, and Mormon is spelled with an "o". ;)

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    Sorry, but your friend just failed the responsible citizen test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldskoolfan View Post
    I think that if you are ticketed for speeding you should lose your CCW. Or a parking ticket because that is like leaving your 3,000 pound weapon lying around in an unsafe location.
    Anyone else agree, or think that goes too far?
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    You friend is not eligible for a CHL now. Even if he is not convicted then he will not be able to get one till the case is done and a judgement has been given. Once he is convicted then the 5 year wait starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kspilot536 View Post
    "does he drink a lot? he can be denied for being a chemically dependent person also"
    VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV VVVVVVVV
    How can they determine if a person drinks a lot without documentation?
    Having 2 beers a day is "A LOT" to a morman.
    you answered your own question in your statement, I didn't say anything about how it would be determined or that they would arbitrarily disqualify someone without legal basis, just that its a factor, since you asked:
    "Chemically dependent person" means a person who frequently or repeatedly becomes intoxicated by excessive indulgence in alcohol or uses controlled substances or dangerous drugs so as to acquire a fixed habit and an involuntary tendency to become intoxicated or use those substances as often as the opportunity is presented.

    Now I'm sure that investigators could easily determine this through independent witnesses, family members, friends, enemies, bartenders/owners, local police records (Public Intox, reports made on person where they are repeatedly shown to be intoxicated, etc)
    also disqualified if they have been in:
    (3) inpatient or residential substance abuse treatment in the preceding five-year period;
    or have:
    (4) diagnosis in the preceding five-year period by a licensed physician that the person is dependent on alcohol, a controlled substance, or a similar substance

    those 2 subsections are also factors in determining if someone is incapable of exercising sound judgment with respect to the proper use and storage of a handgun (which is also a disqualifier)

    I just threw that in as another thing for the OP to consider for his question/scenario he posted, it is a determining factor when applying for a CHL, I'm not saying everyone that drinks is disqualified by any stretch of the imagination, only that if people have a drinking problem it is an issue
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    I can't say for Texas. Georgia? You cannot have been convicted of a crime of moral turptitude.

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    He doesn't have a drinking problem. He only drinks on days that end in y.
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    this is why texas needs OC then that way he would still be able to carry but not concealeds
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilraen View Post
    Anyone else agree, or think that goes too far?
    I think this is just a tad excessive. Only after repeated/habitual traffic violations(DWI is not included in simple traffic violations) should this even be considered. just my opinion.

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    Losing endorsement due to speeding/parking tickets is way over the top. DUI results in deaths/serious accidents. Before anyone says speeding does as well, that's bull (unless to the point of recklessness) - it's inattention to driving that causes accidents; which is the problem with drinking and driving.

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    This is very interesting if he loses his 2a right what other rights do we yank.

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    And ned that is my point you are not looking at it in black and white at what point do you consider speeding reckless.....Oh I'm sorry i just barely ran that red light sorry I tboned you and put you in a coma same difference.

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    Thanks for the responses.

    I also feel it's extreme to think one should lose the right to carry for a minor traffic violation. I mean, really.....I'm sure your just "Mr. perfect" on the road....Oldskoolfan.

    Will you take your own gun away from yourself cause you went 1mph over the limit? Next time you go over the speed limit just a tad remember this post you made...... Some people......sheesh.

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