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    In talking with LEO over the years there are two types
    of opinions on concealed permit holders by LE
    1: They think hey here is a good guy, law abiding citizen.
    2: They think only police should have guns on them not citizens.
    I think the officers that pulled me over were in category 2.
    In NC if you dont inform a officer of your permit then you get a ticket
    and kind of a permit warning if it happens twice you get your permit taken away. I know officers have to be extremly careful but what was frustrating
    too was that the officer saw I had my license and permit in my left hand already
    outstretched to hand him right when he asked about me having a permit
    as I handed it to him and he looked at by permit.


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    This LEO didn't even give him a chance to inform so if I get what he wrote correctly if he had his gun this LEO may have wrote him up or worse. This interaction is exactly why I protect my self if possible just like the LEOs protect their side. I have recorders & video in company trucks & usually have more than one recorder on me at any given time to protect me. Funny thing is a LEO once didn't like it that I was recording our interaction same as he was with his recorder.

    Most interactions I have with LEOs are GREAT though.

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    good point mcgyver with recording at the ready.
    We live in such a modern era and recorders are so
    tiny now but very few people have one on them just
    in case one is needed with LE encounters or anything else.
    Dont want to sound like I am a LE basher but I think some
    LEO have a power issue since they carry a firearm
    and when they encounter permit holders they feel that some
    of their power or coolness has been taken away.

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    I say "Officer, I have a concealed weapons permit and I have a Glock 26 in my right front pocket, how do you want me to proceed?", before he even has time to say anything. I also have my OL, CCW permit, Insurance, and registration before he gets to the car.

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    If there is a next time for me with this type of situation
    I will definitely inform the officer more quickly. Being my
    first time with this type of incident I didnt realize just how quickly
    they like to be told.

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    Glad we’re not required to advise in Florida.

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    I wouldn't go reaching for anything if you have a gun on you..

    i was told by a LEO to put one hand on the roof and one hand out the window.. and wait for the officer to come to your car and tell him you have a loaded firearm where ever you may have it and you have a CCW. but who knows.. it maybe different for every state.. but im not going to go reaching around for everything knowing i have a loaded firearm on me and he may know that and he see's you moving around a lot.. you may just get told to get out of the car with a gun drawn on you..

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    I live in NC, and as far as I know, your permit is not connected in any way to your car tag. Not sure how they knew when they ran your tag. Thus far, all my LEO interactions here in North Carolina have been good. Been thru a couple DUI/license checkpoints and have always informed and been thanked and sent on my way without any adverse reactions from the LEOs.
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    I have always heard that when they run your tags it shows
    them you have a permit must be true cause the officer
    said "I saw you have a permit when I ran your tags" I hadnt
    even given him my name or license yet.
    When I went to Canada this year I gave the border guard
    my passport and when scanned it showed the officer I had
    a permit and he asked me about it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKsrule View Post
    So , even though they KNEW you were a permit holder and therefore probably law-abiding - and the only mistake you made was having a bad headlight - "Barney and Goober " decided to
    treat you as a suspect and bust your chops.

    And you consider this treatment as just them being "serious" about
    the law?

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    Key Word here is "Probably", just because someone passes the background check required (in most places) to get their CCW permit, doesn't automatically make them "a good guy". There are plenty of scuzzballs out there that have never been caught/convicted of crimes, and Im not sure I see in the op where they busted his chops.

    I agree they didn't have a real reason to pat him down (though being in a crapy neighboorhood, it's possible they may have thought he was there buying drugs) and while he wasn't given much of a chance to inform them of his permit status, the op could have stated he had a permit when the officer asked if he knew why he was being stoped.....then proceeded to tell him yes/no I don't know why I was stoped.

    Since getting my permit, I've had a few LEO encounters, all of them (mostly) positive.....the worst of them was when I informed the officer of my carry status and his comment was "Well, you don't touch yours and I won't touch mine" (he was likely trying to be funny, but to me came across as an azz.....)
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Bowen View Post
    I have always heard that when they run your tags it shows
    them you have a permit must be true cause the officer
    said "I saw you have a permit when I ran your tags" I hadnt
    even given him my name or license yet.
    When I went to Canada this year I gave the border guard
    my passport and when scanned it showed the officer I had
    a permit and he asked me about it too.

    Nope, no way, I frequently cross into Canada for work both driving and flying; never discussed firearms (except for the anything to declare question) let alone CCW permits with Canadian or US border patrol. There is no connection between a Federal ID accepted world wide and a state issued permit. There is no way that a Canadian Border Guard has access to CCW permit via a passport.

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    Here recently in Ohio, a guy was actually tried for failure to notify because during a FELONY STOP in which they PREVENTED HIM FROM SPEAKING, he didn't notify them for ***51 SECONDS***.

    The victim was acquitted by a jury, and I believe that legal action against the city of Beachwood is in the works.

    A guy from North Carolina was stopped by Fairfax County, VA cops for a minor (alleged) traffic infraction. He notified him he was carrying, even though it wasn't required. They falsely arrested him for a variety of imaginary "offenses" including "crossing state lines with a loaded gun", "having hollowpoints", and "carrying a concealed weapon..." with an out of state credential RECOGNIZED BY the Commonwealth of Virginia. Even after he was released by a magistrate who explicitly characterized the event as a false arrest, Fairfax cops tried to keep his gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Bowen View Post
    I have always heard that when they run your tags it shows
    them you have a permit must be true cause the officer
    said "I saw you have a permit when I ran your tags" I hadnt
    even given him my name or license yet.
    When I went to Canada this year I gave the border guard
    my passport and when scanned it showed the officer I had
    a permit and he asked me about it too.
    I don't buy that. There's no connection whatsoever between a US passport and any state-run database - DL, carry permit or anything else. That's just nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majorlk View Post
    I don't buy that. There's no connection whatsoever between a US passport and any state-run database - DL, carry permit or anything else. That's just nonsense.
    +10 there seems to be a history of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Bowen View Post
    I have always heard that when they run your tags it shows
    them you have a permit must be true cause the officer
    said "I saw you have a permit when I ran your tags" I hadnt
    even given him my name or license yet.
    When I went to Canada this year I gave the border guard
    my passport and when scanned it showed the officer I had
    a permit and he asked me about it too.
    Huh?
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