Concealed carry....kind of a long story

This is a discussion on Concealed carry....kind of a long story within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; To the OP, In reality, the LEO('s) were probably just checking you out. I have a few friends in law enforcement, and I've ridden with ...

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    To the OP,

    In reality, the LEO('s) were probably just checking you out.

    I have a few friends in law enforcement, and I've ridden with them once in a while. One, in particular, loves to find cars with a headlight/taillight out, license plate light out, cracked windshield, or anything he can pull them over for.

    And he doesn't generally write "fix-it tickets", either. He just advises them to fix it (after thoroughly nosing around), and lets them go. In all honesty, he doesn't care if they fix it or not. If they don't, he'll get a chance to pull them over again, and while they're stopped he's sniffing for alcohol or wacky weed, checking for weight in the trunk, or looking at their actions to see if they're under the influence of anything.

    And he gets more DUI's (Driving Under the Influence) than most officers.

    So honestly, it sounds like they checked you out, were satisfied, and let you go. They did their job (with legal cause to pull you over) and continued on their way.

    Daryl

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    In PA, there is no duty to inform an Officer that you hold a LTCF during a stop. For that reason I think I will keep my mouth shut unless asked. So far it hasn't been an issue. I was pulled over once for speeding and the Officer never brought it up. I love Pennsylvania gun laws.
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    In both stories the officer and the border patrol
    knew I had a permit from my passport/DL
    and from running my tags. Why would I make that
    up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Bowen View Post
    .....Why would I make that
    up?

    OK. I'll bite, I don't know; why?
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    It was me and 4 others in the car passing into Canada.
    The officer took all of our DL and passports then gave
    them all back to us. After that he asked each person some
    questions. If they had weapons of any kind. Did they own
    firearms. When he got to me he asked if I had any weapons
    I said no. Then asked me if I owned firearms. I said yes. Then
    he said I saw that you have a carry permit. why are you not carrying
    now. I said I am just on vacation and didnt think I would need it and he
    said ok well you know you can keep any weapons here with us we all said
    ok. Then he let us through. I gave him my passport and DL thats it.
    There is a barcode on the passport that they scan and it gives them all
    sorts of info on their computer screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Bowen View Post
    It was me and 4 others in the car passing into Canada.
    The officer took all of our DL and passports then gave
    them all back to us. After that he asked each person some
    questions. If they had weapons of any kind. Did they own
    firearms. When he got to me he asked if I had any weapons
    I said no. Then asked me if I owned firearms. I said yes. Then
    he said I saw that you have a carry permit. why are you not carrying
    now. I said I am just on vacation and didnt think I would need it and he
    said ok well you know you can keep any weapons here with us we all said
    ok. Then he let us through. I gave him my passport and DL thats it.
    There is a barcode on the passport that they scan and it gives them all
    sorts of info on their computer screen.


    No comment, I am done here.



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    anytime you go through a border I have always
    been asked for ID and passport. Maybe he ran the
    DL and saw the permit. Maybe it does show up
    on a passport? I dont know I am not border patrol
    and didnt see what he scanned but I wouldnt be surprised
    if the passport showed a carry permit since Everything is linked to
    computers now. Either way he still asked me about the permit.

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    another point maybe when tags are ran it does
    show the officer you have a permit. I was told in
    my permit class that it does. I am thinking even if
    if tags are ran and it doesnt show up on DMV records the officer
    can still run your name and info by having your DMV record
    from your tags and find out that you have a permit. right?
    So in a sense if this was the case an officer can in fact see that
    you have a permit by running your tags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Bowen View Post
    In both stories the officer and the border patrol
    knew I had a permit from my passport/DL
    and from running my tags.
    Why would I make that
    up?
    That's NOT what you said the first time. You said the border officer got it off your passport. That never happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Bowen View Post
    another point maybe when tags are ran it does
    show the officer you have a permit. I was told in
    my permit class that it does. I am thinking even if
    if tags are ran and it doesnt show up on DMV records the officer
    can still run your name and info by having your DMV record
    from your tags and find out that you have a permit. right?

    So in a sense if this was the case an officer can in fact see that
    you have a permit by running your tags.
    It all depends upon how the individual states keeps the records. In Connecticut, the permit database is separate and is not connected (flagged) to any other database. An officer would have to specifically ask their comms HQ to run your name - and that database is not available to any out-of-state officer who stops you.

    Also, there is no link between your DL and your passport.
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    I would like someone to tell me what comes up on the
    computer screen when a passport's barcode is scanned.
    I am not trying to start arguements on here but unless
    someone is a border patrol officer how do me or anyone
    else know what comes up on a passport. Maybe a flag does
    come up. Maybe it doesnt

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    it is right that I didnt mention that I gave the border patrol
    my license and my passport....Sorry. After we gave the officer
    our passports and IDs he was only gone for a minute maybe two at most
    I couldnt see what he checked but he had to notice that permit awful quick.
    I assumed he just scanned the passports and verified it was really us by our
    license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Bowen View Post
    I would like someone to tell me what comes up on the
    computer screen when a passport's barcode is scanned.
    I am not trying to start arguements on here but unless
    someone is a border patrol officer how do me or anyone
    else know what comes up on a passport. Maybe a flag does
    come up. Maybe it doesnt

    I said I am done here but, I lied, just like others some more than most:


    While paper application forms are familiar to the applicants, processing hand written forms is costly and prone to errors that decrease accuracy, creating an overall inefficiency as well as the potential for expensive errors. PPTC processes high volumes of signed application forms to meet PPTC’s security and legal requirements. The applicant either downloads or accesses a Portable Document Format (PDF) form that enables the applicant to fill out on the screen at the privacy of his home. No data or information is transmitted to PPTC. The form is simply a convenient way for the applicant to type the information in on the form, much like using a typewriter. Barcodes on passport application forms contain the following fields of information:

    • Surname
    • First Name(s)
    • Surname at Birth
    • Date of Birth
    • Place of Birth (City, Country)
    • Permanent Address
    • Mailing Address
    This info from the Canadian government at www.international.gc.ca the passport is an internationally consistent document as decided just after WW2. Now please stop this charade.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J Bowen View Post
    it is right that I didnt mention that I gave the border patrol
    my license and my passport....Sorry. After we gave the officer
    our passports and IDs
    Internationally your passport is your ID. Unless you are the driver driving across the border the border guard could not care less if you have a D/L.


    he was only gone for a minute maybe two at most
    Never ever has the border guard left while interviewing me for any border crossing.

    I couldnt see what he checked but he had to notice that permit awful quick.
    Your state issued permit is not on your passport and if it is on your D/L there is no way that the border guard would be able to access the info.

    I assumed he just scanned the passports and verified it was really us by our license.
    Again, the passport is the ID, no way he looked at non-drivers D/L and their passport. Before the recent difficulties D/L was all you needed now passport is all you need (and all that is accepted) unless you are the driver.


    Seriously, come back and finish the conversation you started; explain this web of non-sense.
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