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    I can't remember how many times I have been to Canada and have never been asked anything beyond "Do you have any firearms in the vehicle?"

    The day I am will be the last time I enter Canada.

    I visited six countries this past April and not one of them asked me anything about weapons - just stamped my passport and said "Enjoy your stay."
    An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein


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    I don't want to sit there and take a personality test. I'd just lie and say I don't own any guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    More importantly, you need a passport to get back into the States!

    I've seen in other forums that Canadian border guards are asking probing questions of US citizens regarding CCWs and guns owned. My knee-jerk response is that what I own and what civil privileges I hold in the United States are not the business of the Canadian government. I'll happily provide a passport to enter their country, and show a driver's license if I'm driving on their roads, but how many cars I own, how many guns I own, how much money I have in the bank, or the size of my wife's breasts are none of their business.
    If you don't like their questions then don't go.

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    When I lived in Michigan I used to go to Canada now and then. They would always ask about weapons, but when they ask "Do you have any weapons?" They are asking NOW. Not at home. The answer to that question is "No sir".. BTW, I carryed a Concealed permit back then too,.. Only time I got detained is when a guy with me blurted out he has a DUI conviction when he wasn't being addressed. At that point they wanted to find out what was going on. After getting it cleared up inside we was on our way.

    As was mentioned earlier in the posts, always answer with a short polite answer. Never give them more then they ask for, and answer directly the question asked. (as pertaining to the second) ....

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    New Law

    The new law that took effect June 1, 2009, in regards to crossing international borders is shared by Mexico and Canada. In the agreement the United States shares the personal information in your drivers license with Canada and Mexico. If your Permit comes up with law enforcement here in the US it will show up with the Canadians and Mexicans. In the Detroit River where I have my boat the Canadian Customs ride in the boat with the American Customs. Iím not a lawyer. But I have read the law before it took effect.

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    Sounds to me like they are building a database. It's none of their business what guns you have at home. I would simply tell them that you don't have any guns. If they ask if you have any at home, I would say it is none of your business what I have or don't have at home because what I have or don't have at home has nothing to do with my visit to your country.

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    Thanks for posting that info rlkraatz.
    I have been trying to tell some people that
    the border guard can find out if someone
    has a carry permit now.
    To Larefugee:
    I bet if someone told the border guard
    they didnt own ANY guns it would be a
    big red flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragin Cajun View Post
    Sounds to me like they are building a database. It's none of their business what guns you have at home. I would simply tell them that you don't have any guns. If they ask if you have any at home, I would say it is none of your business what I have or don't have at home because what I have or don't have at home has nothing to do with my visit to your country.
    Just as an FYI, that kind of answer is pretty much a guarantee you're going to, at minimum, be spending the next couple of hours at the border, answering more questions.

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    Its best just to be respectful
    to LEO including Border Patrol.
    Some people dont want to sacrifice
    freedom but then get outraged when
    something bad happens and then blame
    not tough enough borders?

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    I never said I would be rude or a smart-alec with my answers; to the contrary, every time I've crossed the US-Canadian border (dozens, just not lately) I'm as polite as I can be. I am fully aware that the border guards are capable of making sure I have a *very* bad day.

    That notwithstanding, if I was asked directly about whether I owned firearms, I might be inclined to give an affirmative answer but get rather coy and vague about further details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larefugee View Post
    I'd just lie and say I don't own any guns.
    Just curious, but do you lie on a regular basis or only to those in authority?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlkraatz View Post
    The new law that took effect June 1, 2009, in regards to crossing international borders is shared by Mexico and Canada. In the agreement the United States shares the personal information in your drivers license with Canada and Mexico. If your Permit comes up with law enforcement here in the US it will show up with the Canadians and Mexicans. In the Detroit River where I have my boat the Canadian Customs ride in the boat with the American Customs. Iím not a lawyer. But I have read the law before it took effect.
    I wonder what they'll think when they see four permits and not one

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    Thank Mr. Bush for this law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdoptedTexan View Post
    I just returned from a visit to British Columbia, Canada, and I had a curious experience crossing into that country. The Canadian border crossing guard asked me whose car I was driving, and I replied it was mine. He then asked, "Do you have any guns?" I said I did at home, but I did not bring them with me, knowing I could not enter Canada with any kind of firearm. He then asked me what kind I had and he was looking at a screen, seemingly checking my answers. This leads me to suspect that (a) my CCW for Texas, which is linked to my driver's license, is shared beyond the state and even beyond the country, and (b) its possible my gun purchases are also known to the Canadian government. Has anyone had a similar experience?
    The border guard was asking if you had any guns on you or in your vehicle.

    If you got pulled over by a state trooper or a city cop where you live, the cop would ask you the same question.

    I guess one way to look at it, our CBP cops on the southern border ask the same question. We get a little upset when foreign nationals bring weapons into the United States.

    Now, if the Canadian border guard had asked you "how many guns do you own?".....that would be an entirely different matter. It would be absolutely none of his business.

    I recently was asked that question by a cop when I had to fill out a police report. I was a witness to my neighbor blowing his house up.

    When the cop asked me how many guns I own, I answered him by asking: "Is this a trick question?"

    I never did give him an answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    The border guard was asking if you had any guns on you or in your vehicle.

    If you got pulled over by a state trooper or a city cop where you live, the cop would ask you the same question.
    Absolutely right!

    I think some folks here either ...

    (1) can't comprehend simple questions.
    (2) read MUCH more into questions than is actually there.
    (3) don't know near as much as they think they do.
    (4) jump to conclusions based on incorrect and/or incomplete data.
    (5) all of the above.
    An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein

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