Mandate qualifing w/carry gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911luver View Post
    Who here feels those who have a carry permit,even in shall issue state should be mandated to qualify with a gun before being able to carry it? I ask as i've encountered people at the range who can barely keep the bullets on the target and then tell me its their carry gun. I find this a bit disturbing as if they need that gun they may hit a bystander. I say this because if weapon qulification was mandated,then some yahoo can't carry a 20oz .44 magnum hand cannon they can't even shoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j21blackjack View Post
    Do you really think that a CCW class or shooting at a stationary target at a range, in the A/C, taking your time (you get the idea), proves anything about what your reaction will be staring down the barrel of some crackhead's gun?
    Texas requires some minimum training and skills before issuing a permit. Many folks who seek a permit have never fired a firearm. I see nothing wrong with requiring minimum familiarization with the firearm and learning of shooting procedures and basic safety rules as a condition to obtaining a permit. If more is required, then I think it commences to be a restriction on 2nd amendment rights. The class plus fingerprinting and photographing is all done in a single day. This process is not intened is to harass and exclude like some states appear to be doing.
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    Ok. lets go over this one more time. For bkc01 I never said anything about training. I said MINIMUM standard. That basicly means not shooting yourself or someone else while demonstrating that you can make the weapon function. So lets go to the I ain't paying the government for nothin' mindset. Who and how in hades do you think payed for the roads you drive on? Who do you think is gonna pay for what law enforcement your getting whether or not it's sufficient? The majority has and will always suffer for the sins of the few. Quit whining. There are some things we all have to live with because there are people out there with no values. Until you get the fact that none of us get a free ride you're always going to be out in left field. Don't bother to respond. I'm not coming back to this thread.

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    If you want more state regulations move to a blue state. I am for less goverment and regulation.Do you think the bad guy will follow any regulations ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by llongshot View Post
    majorlk. I guess we're gonna beat that animal as long as it keeps rearing its head. I agree that it shouldn't be necessary. It's kinda like fishing. When you feel the tug you just gotta react.
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    Yep! BIG difference!

    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenSaber View Post
    I applaud you for doing the right thing for "you". However, the OP asked if it should be mandatory. Being smart about it and being required are different things altogether. In my opinion, it shouldn't be required on any level, but being smart I have sought out and recieved additional training.
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    I should have made it clear a few post back.

    Yes, I favor training.

    Yes, I favor practice.

    Yes, I would "feel good" if all citizens who could legally own firearms were highly proficient with their use, were well trained and practiced regularly, etc -- w/o government involvement.

    But any and all prior restraint of exercising a right is a total different issue.

    It is a ploy of the anti-RKBA crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by llongshot View Post
    Who and how in hades do you think payed for the roads you drive on? Who do you think is gonna pay for what law enforcement your getting whether or not it's sufficient? The majority has and will always suffer for the sins of the few. Quit whining. There are some things we all have to live with because there are people out there with no values. Until you get the fact that none of us get a free ride you're always going to be out in left field. Don't bother to respond. I'm not coming back to this thread.
    Spoken like a true liberal. As soon as someone disagrees and offers logical counterarguments, make some final statement that barely makes sense and leave. My post that talked about CCW shouldn't cost any money was made because bearing arms is a RIGHT, not a privelige. I don't mind paying for priveliges like driving, law enforcement, firefighters, public transportation, etc. I do however object to being taxed on constitutional rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by llongshot View Post
    Who and how in hades do you think payed for the roads you drive on?
    What does the cost associated with roads have to do with RKBA?
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    Hey, lets say that anyone over the age of.... heck, lets say 60, must turn in their CCW permit because they MAY have some form of dementia develop within the next 30 years.

    Or maybe we can pick the youngest age in which a person with Alzheimers has been documented and use that age to turn in your guns. (of course for that, we will need government access to every persons medical records!) But hey, it's all done in the name of Government paid health care! Right?

    Yeah, that sounds like a safe idea!

    How about we do this? Lets have everyone who carries a gun be responsible for their own actions! Let's say if you have a stray bullet hit an innocent person, you are held accountable as an individual for that little mishap and let it go at that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911luver View Post
    Who here feels those who have a carry permit,even in shall issue state should be mandated to qualify with a gun before being able to carry it? I ask as i've encountered people at the range who can barely keep the bullets on the target and then tell me its their carry gun. I find this a bit disturbing as if they need that gun they may hit a bystander. I say this because if weapon qulification was mandated,then some yahoo can't carry a 20oz .44 magnum hand cannon they can't even shoot.
    This is an excellent question and I agree with your concern. My position is that someone seeking to obtain a CWP should not have to qualify through state testing before obtaining a CWP. It would give too much regulatory power to the state and the logistics behind such a program would be dizzying. Would you need to qualify for everyone firearm you want to conceal? What if you were carrying a .38 when you applied but later on you decided to carry a .45 or any other caliber? Would you need to go back and re-qualify?

    I think a much better idea is for the state to offer free firearm training, through the police department, to those getting CWPs. Why not reward those who are being responsible enough to arm themselves and do it legally? One of my biggest obstacles in getting advanced training is finances. If Seattle sponsored firearm training for all CWP holders I would take advantage of every class and I'm sure others would do the same in their own states.

    My 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post

    How about we do this? Lets have everyone who carries a gun be responsible for their own actions! Let's say if you have a stray bullet hit an innocent person, you are held accountable as an individual for that little mishap and let it go at that?
    Sounds good to me!

    BTW -- we need a sarcasm font, IMHO. You had me going there for a minute.

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    NO,NO,NO, DO Not beleive in it,As stated before $48 more for D/L. I shoot more rounds than 2/3 a Metro area cops, At least once every 10 days Do to rain.I'm no Master but can hit what I shoot at PS it can't hurt to go through a S/D class VOLENTARY of course ; )
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    No.....too much govt. interference. If you take the CCW class and all the tests for proficiency with a .22 revolver, no one should be able to tell you that you can NOT carry a .357 or a .44 mag. That is OUR business as FREE citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmbrcstm2 View Post
    I think a much better idea is for the state to offer free firearm training, through the police department, to those getting CWPs. Why not reward those who are being responsible enough to arm themselves and do it legally?
    So you want ME to pay for YOUR training? No thanks.

    I think everyone should be required by law to demonstrate minimal proficiency with firearms, just like we need to demonstrate proficiency before driving a car.

    With rights come responsibility. Just as freedom is not free, rights are not free, either.

    And spare us the driving is a privilege nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911luver View Post
    Who here feels those who have a carry permit,even in shall issue state should be mandated to qualify with a gun before being able to carry it? I ask as i've encountered people at the range who can barely keep the bullets on the target and then tell me its their carry gun. I find this a bit disturbing as if they need that gun they may hit a bystander. I say this because if weapon qulification was mandated,then some yahoo can't carry a 20oz .44 magnum hand cannon they can't even shoot.
    You know....you bring up some other points to consider here. For one.....just look at how many people shouldn't even be allowed to drive a vehicle! Some people shouldn't even be allowed to breathe or breed the way I see it. Welcome to being part of humanity.

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