I have a Kel-Tec P3AT that I carry with Hydra-Shoks.
So far I've been carrying without chambering a round because I heard - somewhere - that repeatedly chambering the same round can push the bullet into the case. This eventually leads to an increased pressure situation and the gun KBs if you fire that round.
Have any of encountered this before? Is it BS?
I'm used to big happy 1911s and am trying to get a lot of range time (using reloads) with the P3AT to get proficient with the trigger..... SO that means I'm always changing the ammo in the gun. (that is, "chamber a round and leave it alone" doesn't work here).
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I know someone here will give you the answer. Personally I don't know, although I have seenit discussed here many times.
My question though is the bullet setback caused by racking the round from the mag to the chamber or is it caused by placing the round into the mag? Is it the bullet nose dragging on the ramp as it is aligned to the chamber, or is it the end of the bullet being forced into the forcing cone at the front of the chamber?
More details please.
If i have chambered a round more than a couple times, I will just leave it in the chamber, load up the mag with practice ammo and fire off the chambered round first. Yeah, you are shooting one of your defense loads but it is only 1 round, You probably have 20 or 30 sitting in a box waiting to be loaded up. 1 round hear and there will not break the bank.
It is not BS. Chambering the same round over and over can cause bullet setback. Setback is caused as the loaded round impacts the feed ramp. A bullet that has been set back will have a higher velocity and pressure than one not set back. If your ammo is at, or above maximum pressure, this can be a bad thing. A KB (KaBoom) can occur due to bullet setback. I have never witnessed a KB due to setback but have seen the results from an improperly reloaded bullet that has been seated too deeply.
I've decided to start transferring the chambered bullet to a new magazine and popping a fresh one in the mag when topping off. Eventually you end up with a mag full of once chambered rounds but I imagine that re-chambering a few times won't do any harm.
Multiple chambering of the same round can certainly cause setback and should be avoided. I curious though. Why would you be chambering and rechambering? It's a sd handgun. Load it up and leave it alone.
If you're taking that gun to the range and shooting ball ammo and not your SD ammo then you would chamber the round to carry it, then unchamber it to load up your practice ammo. Then reload your SD ammo. If you never go to the range with your SD gun then it's not an issue, but hopefully you are spending quality time at a range regularly.
Originally Posted by David in FL
It is true,but It requires pretty substantial setback,you can compare the round you are chambering with a fresh bullet,at first sign of bullet length being shorter,you can tell by looking at serrations on side of hollowpoints and how far from the case lip they are,I put that round in the range ammo,I only chamber a round in my carry gun about once a week when I clean the gun from wearing it and keep it lubed,or you can use one magazine and either mark the primer end with different color sharpies and each time chamber a different round,then about once a month or every two months just shoot that magazine and reload with fresh rounds.I reload ammo and the only thing I've had severe bgullet setback on was .380,bad magazine and it slammed the round into the bottom of the feed ramp pushing the bullet in about 1/8" that kind of setback will cause a Kaboom
My range requires all firearms be unloaded and actions open whenever you are not on a hot range (entering, signing in, walking around, setting up targets). One could be sneaky with a concealed pistol, but the rules are there for everyone's safety so I respect them. I unload in the car- hence a defensive round gets ejected...
Originally Posted by David in FL
I go to the range once a week, so I collect a fair number of rounds.
I will mark any ejected round with a sharpie. I will check it with a micrometer and it if reads the original length, I may go ahead and fire it. Note: re-chambering a round more then once could be dangerous and will void some gun's warranty. Do so at your own risk.
I have been rotating the previously chambered round to the bottom of the magazine. I don't worry about multiple rechambers because I shoot out that magazine (obviously at the range) before they rotate through multiple times. It will be a lot less work to simply start filling up one of my empty magazines.
Originally Posted by Cycler
Drop the mag, eject the chambered rd., and put it in your pocket. When you are through at the range, drop the empty mag, lock the slide. When you get to the car, manually insert the bullet from your pocket, drop the slide, insert the mag. That was easy, and I don't keep chambering the same rd. form the mag.
dropping the slide on a chambered round can put some excess wear on the extractor over time though.
What he said.........
Originally Posted by David in FL
I had this same concern, since I carried a .40 caliber GLOCK, so I did my own test a few years ago.
Originally posted here. UtahConcealedCarry.Com • View topic - How to make your autoloader blow up in your hand
Here is a quick test I did... I took a new Independence round and chambered it several times without the use of a magazine, measuring it after each loading. My goal was to see if I could make it shorter than 1.100"
New Independence round factory length. 1.120"
Here is a new Federal Self Defense Round just for reference. Also 1.120"
Chambered 0nce: 1.117"
Seven: SUCCESS! 1.099
As you can see this round is officially junk. As I was doing this, I noticed the sound of the round going in getting worse. I believe this was the sound of the extractor slamming against the back of the cartridge.
OK, did another test, with very similar results. Same Independence ammo, same G23. This time I let the pistol load the round from the magazine, as there are some speculations as to whether or not this had anything to do with the results. Remember, the round measured 1.120 when I started.
One - 1.118
Two - 1.115
Three - 1.112
Four - 1.109
Five - 1.107
Six - 1.103
Seven - 1.100
On the first test when I put the bullet in the chamber and let the extractor hit it, it measured 1.099 after seven times. This is only + .001 difference using the magazine.