Lousiana and Florida Reciprocity Rumors

Lousiana and Florida Reciprocity Rumors

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    Lousiana and Florida Reciprocity Rumors

    Lots of rumors floating around on the Louisiana boards stating that Louisiana will soon drop Florida permits from their reciprocity list, due to lower training standards in Florida. Anyone got the scoop on this that can share with us?

    Also, why in the world does Florida not honor nonresident permits from other states, but expect other states to honor theirs? Seems to me if Florida recognizes the need for and issues nonresident permits, they would honor other states that do as well.
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    Proper training before being allowed to exercise a fundamental right. Outstanding. Next we will have to pass a competency test before we are allowed to exercise the right to free speech.
    I wonder if there soon will be a marital test to determine if your marriage is 'good enough to be considered a marriage' before your 5th am rights kick in?
    *shakes head* I love it.

    as for your post, I've not heard anything about it yet, except for your posts here and there... I hope it's not true, Florida already lost Nevada because Nevada doesn't like that our licenses are good for 7 years now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Luttrel View Post
    Lots of rumors floating around on the Louisiana boards stating that Louisiana will soon drop Florida permits from their reciprocity list, due to lower training standards in Florida. Anyone got the scoop on this that can share with us?
    This sounds like an Internet rumor. Here's why: Louisiana has reciprocity with Alabama and honors Alabama permits. Alabama has no training requirement for a permit. In some counties the sheriff has a training requirement, but the state does not have one. So is there a rumor that LA is going to drop AL? If not, I say it is just so much talk.
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    Requirements seems fairly similar.
    LA rqrmts:
    1. Completion of any National Rifle Association handguns safety or training course conducted by a National Rifle Association certified instructor within the preceding twelve months.
    2. Completion of any Department of Public Safety and Corrections approved firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement agency, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school within the preceding twelve months.
    3. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class approved by the Department of Public Safety and Corrections and offered for correctional officers, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement within the preceding twelve months (note: training for security guards was removed)
    4. Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class approved by the Department of Public Safety and Corrections within the preceding twelve months.
    5. Completion of small arms training within the preceding sixty months while serving with the armed forces of the United States...
    FL rqrmnts:
    * Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency of another state;
    * Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;
    * Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services;
    * Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;
    * Presents evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or military service (persons serving in the United States Armed Forces may submit a copy of their Military ID Card; discharged persons may submit a copy of the DD-214);
    * Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state or a county or municipality of this state, unless such license has been revoked for cause;
    * Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor.

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    Well, we’re headed to New Orleans and the low country in late March of 2010. If LA decides to stop accepting FL CCL, I’ll cancel our week trip.

    It’s my understanding that Garth Brooks, is going to do some shows in Vegas this fall. But since NV has dropped Florida’s CCL, we’re not going.

    The way I see it is any state that does not accept Florida’s CCL does not want my tourist dollars. Shame too because when I worked for the Fed’s we loved to go to New York for shows, Boston for some great New England seafood, and California coastline, and wine country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Luttrel View Post
    Lots of rumors floating around on the Louisiana boards stating that Louisiana will soon drop Florida permits from their reciprocity list, due to lower training standards in Florida. Anyone got the scoop on this that can share with us?

    Also, why in the world does Florida not honor nonresident permits from other states, but expect other states to honor theirs? Seems to me if Florida recognizes the need for and issues nonresident permits, they would honor other states that do as well.

    I'm calling internet rumor...
    Also, Florida does honor non resident permits, Louisiana included..
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    According to the Florida Concealed Carry Web Site... People who have Non Resident permits from other states cannot carry in Florida.

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    6) These states issue concealed carry licenses to qualified individuals who are non-residents. These non-resident permits cannot be honored under Florida's reciprocity provision.

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    Competency test before you can speak?

    Listening to some, elected officials, news broadcasts and political appointees that would not be a bad idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TH48 View Post
    I'm calling internet rumor...
    Also, Florida does honor non resident permits, Louisiana included..
    I think you misunderstood the question. Florida honors permits from other states that have reciprocity, but it does not honor non-resident permits issued by any state. Louisiana does not issue a non-resident permit.

    I agree that it's a rumor. Since Louisiana honors permits from my state that has no training requirement whatsoever how could they stop honoring Florida because of lower training standards? No training standards is a low as you can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TH48 View Post
    Also, Florida does honor non resident permits, Louisiana included..
    Not all. Such as my home state of Arizona. I live in Connecticut now and my AZ permit is no good in FL. This was just recently re-confirmed as I just sent in my FL renewal application. Checkout handgunlaw.us and the reciprocity map. Here's the link below. Notice Florida and the SEVERAL states from which it doesn't recognize non-resident permits.

    Arizona, Utah, Texas, Idaho, North Dakota, Tennessee, South Carolina, Virginia to name a few for starters. NON-resident permits from these states are NOT valid in Florida.

    Handgunlaw.us

    In fact, if I remember correctly, Florida doesn't recognize ANY other states' non-resident permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr_cmg View Post
    I think you misunderstood the question. Florida honors permits from other states that have reciprocity, but it does not honor non-resident permits issued by any state. Louisiana does not issue a non-resident permit.
    Thanks for the heads up. I'm unfamiliar with the non-resident permits and took the question to mean a resident permit used in a state of non-residence.

    Question: What is the purpose of a non resident permit. I'm thinking to allow someone to carry in a state that doesn't have reciprocity but I don't want to assume. AGAIN
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Luttrel View Post
    Also, why in the world does Florida not honor nonresident permits from other states, but expect other states to honor theirs?
    One possible financial reason: to encourage out-of-staters to purchase FL permits. Note too that there is only one type of FL permit, issued to FL residents and to FL non-residents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis View Post
    One possible financial reason: to encourage out-of-staters to purchase FL permits. Note too that there is only one type of FL permit, issued to FL residents and to FL non-residents.
    I don't think it's financial. It it were, Florida would be like my current money grubbing state of Connecticut and not honor ANY other state permit. Resident, non-resident...doesn't matter. Gotta pay to play here.

    At least Florida has reciprocity with a LOT of other states, as long as it's a state resident issued permit. So, my AZ one up here in CT is no good in FL, but when we move back to AZ (please God, make it soon!), then I'll be a-okay to visit my wife's family in FL as long as I have a current AZ DL showing that I'm an AZ resident.

    And, there IS a difference between a FL resident and non-resident permit. The address won't be a FL one for non-residents. AZ is a bit different as there's no address on the permit at all. It has to be accompanied by a government issued photo ID to be valid because there is no picture on the AZ permit, either. One nice thing is the permit never has to be re-issued when you move...anywhere in state or out of state because "change of address" doesn't apply.

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    I've been told by a couple of LSP officers that it is very likely Louisiana will stop honoring Florida non-resident permits. The reasoning behind it is that you can get a Florida permit more easily than a Louisiana permit (less restrictions on who can qualify for one). Therefore, people from La are applying for a Fl non-resident and getting approved for it. Those same individuals, if they applied for a La permit would be denied under the restrictions for a permit in La.
    Essentially they are going to close a "loop-hole" for individuals to get a permit in La who might not otherwise qualify. They will still honor permits from Fl which are given to residents of Fl. They just wanna stop the La residents from using a Fl non-resident permit as their permit. What I've heard it's not rumor and may be going in effect sooner rather than later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by critta View Post
    I've been told by a couple of LSP officers that it is very likely Louisiana will stop honoring Florida non-resident permits. The reasoning behind it is that you can get a Florida permit more easily than a Louisiana permit (less restrictions on who can qualify for one). Therefore, people from La are applying for a Fl non-resident and getting approved for it. Those same individuals, if they applied for a La permit would be denied under the restrictions for a permit in La.
    Essentially they are going to close a "loop-hole" for individuals to get a permit in La who might not otherwise qualify. They will still honor permits from Fl which are given to residents of Fl. They just wanna stop the La residents from using a Fl non-resident permit as their permit. What I've heard it's not rumor and may be going in effect sooner rather than later.
    Um, generally, if you are a resident of a state, an out-of-state permit isn't valid there. Maybe for a short time after moving, but not for the long term. Just like a DL. You have to get a new drivers license for the state you live in once you establish residency. So, a non-resident FL permit would be no good for a permanent LA RESIDENT, even if LA honored it, anyway.

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