CCW Vs medical mary jane
This is a discussion on CCW Vs medical mary jane within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Bark'n
As far as I'm concerned, it's no different than drinking alcohol and carrying or taking narcotic pain killers and carrying.
September 4th, 2009 08:36 PM
Yes, though those can be taken without putting someone so far over the edge that they're "influenced" by the substance, as with a few sips of wine with a meal, or pain meds dialed to simply take the edge off. Though each person needs to know the effects, being impacted only happens above a certain "dose" for most folks.
Originally Posted by Bark'n
September 4th, 2009 08:42 PM
Originally Posted by Queensidecas
While I would agree that in either case you sighted you may not be "intoxicated" (legally) I would disagree with the idea that you put forth above. I think that one would be just as altered after a drink of beer/wine/grain based alcohol as they would be after a hit of pot. Mental functions slow on either; judgement is impared and reaction time is altered from either intoxicate. Again intoxication has not reached its max but it has/is occurring. One might reach the legal level of intoxicated with pot more quickly but one is impared from the start with both.
September 4th, 2009 08:42 PM
Marijuana's active 'ingredient' Tetrahydrocannibanol (THC) will stay in your blood for 30-45 days or longer depending on your metabolism. Hair tests can show use for 6 months.
From a CIVIL lawsuit standpoint, the MJ user would be hard pressed to explain their use to a court deciding whether to award the 'victim' of the shooting millions because the shooter was impaired.
Was he using MJ? Yes, but only at night. Then...you used, so you were impaired when you shot.
Impairment? I could bring in 5 different 'experts' for hire that would state he was in an altered state of consciousness when he fired.
IMO, he positions himself in a VERY tenuous position with carrying and using MJ at anytime, 'medical' or not.
September 4th, 2009 09:15 PM
I believe that if one takes something that impairs their judgment it would prevent legal carrying.
In general I am with Bark'N on this one.
September 4th, 2009 09:18 PM
Not to put too fine a point on it, but really they're just measuring the quantity of alcohol in your blood, not the alcohol's effects.
Originally Posted by Ram Rod
Some folk are drunk at 0.08 ("drunk" in MI), others could out-drive and out react 75% of the population at 0.08. Somewhat arbitrary if you asked me.
September 4th, 2009 09:41 PM
Interesting subject, for sure.
I THINK here it asks you if you are "addicted to or an illegal user of" a controlled substance, or something like that.
Sorta like codiene. You can't legally drive under the influence of it, but if you have a prescription then the evidence isn't admissible in court. I'd imagine it's similar for a CCW permit, but I really don't know.
Maybe something I'll have to look into on the state level.
Not that it matters to me, because I'm certainly not going to get a prescription for the stuff, but curiosity sometimes gets me looking into things like that. Information seldom hurts.
September 4th, 2009 09:43 PM
I agree with Cycler. The BAC measurement for "drunkeness" is arbitrary. In my younger days I was a heavy drinker and had a pretty high tolerance for alcohol. I could drink 7 or 8 beers before I showed any slowing of reflexes, etc. 20 years later all it takes is 1 or 2. As for the weed, depending on the THC concentration the "high" will last anywhere from 30 minutes to a couple of hours with no residual effects the next day. If the OP's friend only smokes the amount his doc prescribes at night, he should be good to go for carry upon waking. How the state would rule on this situation tho I have no clue. I do know that in GA that just a misdemeanor charge for simple possession no matter how old will disqualify you from ever holding a GFL. Plenty of folks here got smacked on the hand for holding a joint as a teenager and decades later are productive citizens with no other offenses and still can't hold a GFL.
September 4th, 2009 09:54 PM
Well put. however he will not be under the influence 24/7 I think he should be able to carry any time he is not under the influence of his medication just like any other person with legal prescription drugs.
Originally Posted by Bark'n
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September 4th, 2009 09:56 PM
Sorry, but that is not really quite correct. It partitions into the fat and may be sequestered in fat. Plasma elimination half times have been reported at a few hours to several days. With regard to impairment:
Originally Posted by Eirerogue
"In laboratory investigations, it has been reported that THC may affect complex performance skills up to 24 hours after drug ingestion. One study reports a “hangover” effect on the morning following a dose of marijuana (hours after smoking a marijuana cigarette of 3 percent THC) (Chait et al.1985). The mean performance of pilots in a flight simulator showed a trend toward impairment at 24 hours after smoking a cigarette of 2 percent THC(Yesavage et al. 1985). These results have implications for THC effects on the performance of complex tasks the day after smoking when blood concentrations are very low."
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September 4th, 2009 09:57 PM
I have no problem with anyone injesting any medicine (including Marahuchie) prescribed by a doctor. You take what you have to take, and as we age the list becomes a little longer.
It's up to each individual to decide when it's OK to be armed and responsible. OMO
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September 4th, 2009 10:03 PM
While I agree with you in general, it is unfortunately true that the intoxicated individual is in NO position to decide that it is not O.K. to be armed, because by definition judgment is impaired due to the intoxication.
Originally Posted by retsupt99
I think the friend mentioned in the o.p. needs to deal with his medical problem as best he can, but should consider carefully without respect to the letter of the law either way, the potential mess he would bring upon himself were he involved in an SD shooting or even an ordinary auto accident.
September 4th, 2009 10:19 PM
wait, does MM have a container, or do you just grow a plant and smoke it? Because, I was thinking...if it comes in an Rx bottle, wouldn't it have one of those "may make you drowsy, do not attempt to operate heavy machinery" warning labels on it? I'd say that's a ringing endorsement not to smoke and carry.
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September 4th, 2009 10:24 PM
... it is unfortunately true that the intoxicated individual is in NO position to decide that it is not O.K. to be armed, because by definition judgment is impaired due to the intoxication.
Partaking <> intoxication. There is a difference.
"intoxication" is intoxication.
Our cultural fear of "alcohol" and "narcotics" has impaired our ability to distinguish between partaking of a substance and being impaired by it.
It should be obvious, though I know it isn't, to many. But, a bite of food doesn't make one full; a sip of wine doesn't make one drunk; a well-dosed pain med of the narcotic/opiate variety need not make one "drugged" to the point of impairment.
For those needing factual actuals in order to accept this reality, any competent doctor can provide.
In short: all depends on the dose.
September 4th, 2009 10:35 PM
I know how much physical stress the body goes through when put in a life or death situation and I don't want to have any substances in my system that may alter the way my body reacts to these situations.
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September 4th, 2009 10:40 PM
Just curious, is this doctor's 'prescription' filled at a licensed pharmacy? Does he get it at Walgreens?
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