Police concerned about change in concealed weapons law

Police concerned about change in concealed weapons law

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    Police concerned about change in concealed weapons law

    Is it just me or do all the officers become anti-2nd amendment when they get to the top? In Texas, it's perfectly legal to carry a loaded weapon in your car, with out a license, as long as it's concealed; you have no legal responsibility to inform an officer of that weapon if you are stopped.

    Yet up until now, they expected us licensed carriers to be legally bound to notify an officer if we are stopped. They seem to forget that us licensed citizens have been extensively investigated to certify we are non felons, sane, have no violent criminal history and are trained by the state to shoot and safely handle our weapons; in other words, a law abiding citizen.

    I fail to see the police unions reasoning on this matter; not to mention, I believe that all officers should treat every traffic stop as if the people in the vehicle are armed, if they wish to go home at the end of each shift.





    7:57 AM CDT on Monday, September 7, 2009

    By Lee McGuire / 11 News HOUSTON—The president of Houston’s Police Union is concerned that officers’ safety has been put at risk by the Texas Legislature, which quietly relaxed the state’s concealed weapons rules at the end of last session.
    The change, which took effect Sept. 1, removes the penalty for not presenting a concealed handgun license to a peace officer if the officer asks to see identification, and if the person being questioned has a hidden weapon. Until this month, the state could suspend a violator’s concealed handgun license for a year.
    “People that have the concealed handgun license are our most law-abiding citizens,” said State Rep. Lois Kolkhorst, R-Brenham, who sponsored the legislation. “We felt like losing your license for a year was a bit too punitive.”
    Kolkhorst said the removal of the penalty was a decision made at the suggestion of State Rep. Carl Isett, R-Lubbock. Isett could not be reached for comment over the holiday weekend.
    Gary Blankinship, president of the Houston Police Officers’ Union, said the new rules could put officers at risk.
    “We feel like the way it was was much safer,” Blankinship said. “When an officer is on a traffic stop and he observes a weapon that he wasn’t made aware of, he is going to draw his weapon until he gets the whole scene under control.”
    Kolkhorst said she decided to support removal of the penalty because in 2007, lawmakers passed a bill that allowed people who do not have concealed handgun permits to drive with weapons in their cars, as long as the weapons were not visible. This so-called “travelers exemption,” she said, created a situation in which people who had gone through concealed weapons training and held permits could be cited for forgetting to hand over their permits, whereas someone who had never had any training would have been held harmless.
    “It was almost a penalty if you had gone through all the extra effort to be able to carry a handgun license, then you were penalized if you forgot to identify that you were carrying that license,” she said.
    Blankinship said the change means a substantial weakening of the state’s concealed weapons rules.
    “I understand the logic in why it was done,” he said, “but sometimes you do one thing and it causes an adverse effect.”
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    We have to inform the officer here in MI as well & it does not bother me to do that as long as the officer does not freak out at me

    But i do agree that officers should assume everyone they stop has a weapon for there own safety & please please dont freak out at us law-abiding citizens with CHL's, we are not the one's to be afraid of
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    I see it this way; the higher in rank you go in a leadership role, the more of a politician you have to become, and less "one of the people". It seems to work for both the military and police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EW3 View Post
    I see it this way; the higher in rank you go in a leadership role, the more of a politician you have to become, and less "one of the people". It seems to work for both the military and police.
    Not so. You just need to find those with backbone. Those who remember where they came from, and those who stand on basic principles. There's still a few of them out there.
    While perhaps not a totally frivolous concern of the "police department", any half-way intelligent onlooker would know this issue should rank very low on the 'police department' priority list well after fighting crime in their communities. If policies and politics play a part in any of that, then we all have a price on our heads. That's wrong, yet we let it continue. Why?

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    Cool

    We are required to inform. I don't mind at all. In fact it just may put the LEO just a bit more at ease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hdawson View Post
    We are required to inform. I don't mind at all. In fact it just may put the LEO just a bit more at ease.

    True, BUT we don't have the "travelers exemption" that Texas does. In N.C., you can be charged with "possesion of a concealed weapon" if you do not have a permit for concealed carry.
    I think it only made sense for Texas to correct things.

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    “People that have the concealed handgun license are our most law-abiding citizens,” said State Rep. Lois Kolkhorst, R-Brenham, who sponsored the legislation. “We felt like losing your license for a year was a bit too punitive.”
    Amen to that! Finally we're not gun-totin crazies!
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    I get pulled over often. The first thing I do is open all my windows because they have limo tint and my windshield is tinted also, then stick my hand out the window so the LEO can see them. When they come to my car I tell them that I have a concealed weapons license and I am armed. Most times they don't ask to see any of the weapons I have on me and because of this procedure I have gotten away with a warning almost every time.
    I have been pulled over twice for mistaken identity, many times because of the time of night and location, lost count because of windshield, MOST times because I gave them good reason to be pulled over. They are doing their jobs and usually pull over someone for driving infractions(your own fault for being pulled over). It would be SMART if you make their job easier and safer if you put them at ease and let them know that you are a law abiding citizen.

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    I live in Texas and I plan on telling any officer that I am carrying and have a concealed and carry. Their jobs are dangerous and I am sure that they will appreciate me telling them.

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    Stay away from Houston or any other place in Texas where the officers have bad attitudes. Most of the rest of Texas the officers have their heads on correctly.
    Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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    I should have added in my original post, that I do and will continue to notify when stopped out of professional courtesy. I have nothing but respect for LEO's and the job they do; I am however tired of being made out to be a borderline extremist by the Liberals, just because I choose to personally protect my most basic right of life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XsYang View Post
    I get pulled over often. The first thing I do is open all my windows because they have limo tint and my windshield is tinted also, then stick my hand out the window so the LEO can see them. When they come to my car I tell them that I have a concealed weapons license and I am armed. Most times they don't ask to see any of the weapons I have on me and because of this procedure I have gotten away with a warning almost every time.
    I have been pulled over twice for mistaken identity, many times because of the time of night and location, lost count because of windshield, MOST times because I gave them good reason to be pulled over. They are doing their jobs and usually pull over someone for driving infractions(your own fault for being pulled over). It would be SMART if you make their job easier and safer if you put them at ease and let them know that you are a law abiding citizen.

    If you have illegal window tint, or commit moving traffic violations then you, by definition are not a law abiding citizen.

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    its a bunch of bovine excrement that this new law puts officers in more danger/higher risk, the CHLs are not the people I'm worried about having a weapon in a car when I pull it over.....its the dirtbag people that I'm worried about and this law has no effect on them......similar to the way gun control laws don't affect them for the most part

    any officer that says this change of law puts them in more danger hasn't learned all the laws pertaining to CHLs
    I'm sure some union groups will say that as a way to get more attention to them and make them appear to be looking out for officer's safety....but its a farse

    all the officers I know/talk to have no more concern now than they did before, CHLs are not the folks they are worried about
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    A concealed pistol permit is not some kind of pass that absolves one from the responsibility to obey traffic laws.

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    I fully intend on notifying them whether I have to or not. Just seems to be the right thing to do.
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