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    Roanoke Times, Roanoke Va

    Many more Virginians are packing heat - Roanoke.com

    Many more Virginians are packing heat
    By Christian Trejbal

    Last week, Roanoke Times columnist Dan Casey announced he had finally obtained a Virginia concealed carry permit.

    Casey had never touched a handgun, but it did not matter. He took a one-hour, online course and passed a multiple choice quiz. That's adequate training in Virginia thanks to a bill sponsored by state Sen. Ken Cuccinelli, the GOP's nominee for attorney general.

    Cuccinelli's Democratic opponent, Del. Steve Shannon, and Democratic gubernatorial candidate Sen. Creigh Deeds, both supported the bill, too, which will leave many Democrats holding their noses when they go to the polls in November.

    What I found more surprising in Casey's column, was that 203,132 Virginians now have concealed carry permits.

    That is a 50 percent jump since January 2007, when only 135,789 people had them. The number of permits tends to increase over time, but this sort of growth is astonishing.

    The uptick began in the second half of 2008 and took off in 2009, according to Virginia State Police records.

    Already this year, the number of valid permits has grown by 18 percent, outstripping growth in all of last year and on pace to more than double the 2007 growth rate.

    I suspect few of the new tens of thousands packing heat are like Casey, either in lack of experience or desire to prove a point about a foolish law.

    The impetus runs more deeply.

    In the middle of 2008, Barack Obama secured the Democratic presidential nomination. Fables quickly spread among gun fans that he would take away their firearms.

    Americans elected Obama, and gun dealers got busy. Virginia's concealed carry permits are a symptom of the same Obama Derangement Syndrome that has driven record gun sales nationwide.

    America is more friendly to firearm ownership than it has been in a long time. All three branches of the federal government support the gun agenda.

    Congress passed gun-friendly legislation this year, such as a bill to allow people to carry loaded weapons in many national parks, including long stretches of the Blue Ridge Parkway.

    Obama has seized no weapons but has signed Congress' pro-gun bills.

    And the Supreme Court this year swallowed gun-backers' spin on the Second Amendment. The court's five conservative justices ruled the militia clause does not count and created an individual right to own firearms with minimal interference from the state. The other four justices, in their dissent, rightly argued that all the words of the Constitution matter.

    In Virginia, it is even sweeter for gun lovers. Both Democrats and Republicans in the General Assembly backed pro-firearms bills, including one that would have allowed concealed carry in bars. The governor vetoed that one, but with two staunch gun supporters running for governor, it will almost certainly become law next year.

    Despite all that, fear persists. Americans purchase more and more guns and seek permission to conceal them.

    The most passionate among them display a religious-like zealotry. They preach their message of peace through firepower everywhere.

    One gun-loving reader of our RoundTable editorial blog tastelessly exploited the recent shooting deaths of two Virginia Tech students to promote his agenda.

    Other gun lovers put on public displays of affection with their weapons, openly carrying them outside presidential events. How is that ever a reasonable idea?

    I do not begrudge them their right to carry. We are a nation and a commonwealth of laws. The Supreme Court ruled; Virginia's duly elected officials kowtowed.

    A couple of more statistics deserve mention, though.

    From 2007 to present, while the number of concealed carry permits jumped 50 percent in Virginia, 36 concealed carry permit holders around the nation killed seven law enforcement officers and 54 private citizens.

    Possibly even more. Some states, unlike Virginia, keep concealed carry records secret, making accurate counts impossible. At least the commonwealth gets that right, sort of.
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    America is more friendly to firearm ownership than it has been in a long time. All three branches of the federal government support the gun agenda.
    Huh?????????
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    It should not be a surprise to anyone who follows Virginia politics, that despite their differences on various issues, most elected Democrats here are decidedly "pro-gun." That doesn't mean that all such legislation passes easily, its just that the majority of folks here support the 2nd Ammendment. especially as interpreted (in the main) by the Supreme Court in the recent Heller case.

    Notwithstanding the above, I strongly feel that "hands-on" weapons training and basic understanding of the "rules of conduct" should be mandatory vis-a-vis a CCW permit issuance. Once these standards are met (along with the requisite background check , as well as criminal misconduct and mental impairment disqualifications), permits shold be reciprocated among and between State and local jurisdictions. And by the same token, violators who have their CCW permts revoked or suspended (WITH APPROPRIATE APPEAL PROCEDURES) would be likewise restricted in the other jurisdictions. I would prefer that State law rather than a Federal law be the prevailing and determining body in any conflict ; subject to review by the US Supreme Court only on Constitutional grounds.

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    I think more folks everywhere are getting their permits due to certain circumstance or reasons. Just because permits are being printed off at lightning speed doesn't necessarily mean more people are actually packing. There may also be cases of those who are thinking "I've just got to have one of those (permits)".

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    America is more friendly to firearm ownership than it has been in a long time. All three branches of the federal government support the gun agenda.
    This actually made me cough coffee onto the monitor. Where dose this pin head get this idea?
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    America is more friendly to firearm ownership than it has been in a long time. All three branches of the federal government support the gun agenda.......?????

    This was printed only 100 years too late. The media must learn to say "NO" to crack.
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    I would like a fact check on the clincher statistic, that "36 concealed carry permit holders around the nation killed seven law enforcement officers and 54 private citizens."

    1) Are these statistics correct?
    2) Of the 54 civilian deaths, what % were self-defense shootings?
    3) Of the incidents determined to be criminal shootings, how many CCW holders were involved?
    4) What % of all CCW holders does this represent?
    5) Of all other shootings (i.e., those NOT done by CCW holders), what % does that represent of the non-CCW-holding populace?
    6) For the CCW-holder shootings that were deemed to be criminal, was the fact that the shooter had a CCW something that facilitated/enabled the crime, or was it irrelevant.

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    I'm just one root in a grassroots organization. No one should assume that I speak for the VCDL.

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    And the Supreme Court this year swallowed gun-backers' spin on the Second Amendment. The court's five conservative justices ruled the militia clause does not count and created an individual right to own firearms with minimal interference from the state. The other four justices, in their dissent, rightly argued that all the words of the Constitution matter.
    Spin, what spin? Does he mean the facts of the intent of the 2a wording. The only thing spinning is my head from such printed stupidity...
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    Great link, that answers pretty much all of my questions. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrdoranz View Post
    Notwithstanding the above, I strongly feel that "hands-on" weapons training and basic understanding of the "rules of conduct" should be mandatory vis-a-vis a CCW permit issuance. Once these standards are met (along with the requisite background check , as well as criminal misconduct and mental impairment disqualifications), permits shold be reciprocated among and between State and local jurisdictions.
    Virginia is an open carry state. We require no hands-on training, no classroom training and no background check for a citizen to carry a gun openly in Virginia. Why do you feel so strongly that concealed carry should impose so much more of a burden on the citizen simply practicing a constitutional right? I would prefer that all law abiding citizens be able to carry a gun in any manner they so choose in all 50 states. Training is a good thing, but why should it be required by law?

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