May have Revealed I am CCW at Work

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    May have Revealed I am CCW at Work

    I know there is a thread about CCW at work without permission, but it is quite long by now and has some controversy in it already. This is similar.

    My boss and co-workers know I CCW when I am not at work. I also CCW at work, but have never told anyone I do. Yesterday, I was talking to my wife on the phone about bullet setback because she has a .40S&W that has some rounds that have been re-chambered. I wanted to let her know ASAP, so I called from my desk phone.

    During the conversation, I said, "I just measured one of mine with a micrometer, and it was short." Unfortunately, I had just been out in the factory and asked a co-worker where the dial micrometer was. While I was talking to my wife, he was in the office across the hall.

    I thought that he must have known what I was talking about and put two and two together...

    Well this AM, when we were in the break room, a discussion about On-Star was going on and concern about their info being hacked so data thieves would then know where you are. - Anyway, the co-worker then said, "what are you worried about, you carry a weapon." As he was saying that, I happen to have been looking at my boss (co-worker and the boss are best friends) who gave the wide eyed "Oh damn, I don't believe you just said that!" look to him.

    Of course it is in the company policy that guns are not allowed in the workplace and my boss and other co-workers are all who think I am paranoid and crazy for CCW in the first place.

    It's a small company (less than 10 employees) where the written company policy is regularly ignored on many other things as well (Like alcohol, using personal cell phones for texting or conversations) As a matter of fact, my boss brought in a .22LR rifle and ammo a couple years ago for me to use in a varmint extermination on company property.

    I guess I'm slightly concerned about them being more suspicious / certain that I am CCW at work now.
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    yep...I'd be concerned too if I were you...not too bright.

    And unless I thought there was a significant risk of great bodily harm/death at work that a firearm would mitigate (and I'd be looking for another job if that were the case), I wouldn't be carrying at work if I were you.

    If you apply some basic math to the situation, and factoring in the financial damage to you and your wife if you get fired for carrying, your overall personal risk is probably greater from carrying at work than not carrying. If you are the sole breadwinner for the family, and your job provides health insurance + benefits, you are putting your family at serious financial and possibly health risk because you want to carry a firearm to mitigate another risk that has a very low overall probability.

    It is too easy to focus on a narrow set of "risks" and miss the bigger picture.

    Oh, and if you made this post from your work computer, well...
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    Don't you just love loose lipped friends (?) who blurt out stuff like that? Had one smart off quite a bit about my AR-10 and its "ridiculous firepower" at an airport once right near a TSA agent. Also mentioned me carrying regularly just to make the situation worse, although he thought he was being cute messing with the TSA, at my expense no less.

    I told him he was a dumba** right then and there and gave him a dressing down as soon as we were out of earshot of that TSA agent. Putting me and my family or job at risk while being stupid or trying to be funny is something I take a really dim view of and I let him know about it. Hopefully your situation will just vaporize like a morning fog. Hopefully.
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    Might want to lay low for a while. Being part of a small company and everyone knowing everyone's business, and secondly if having a CCW on company property is a offense that requires discipline, then for the good of your future plans, and also in the name of having the ability to carry without anyone knowing, I would strongly consider not carrying to work for a while(more than a month or two). Leave it in the car (secured of course) or whatever but do what you need to do so to not ruin the ability to carry at all.... or even worse, get canned on something as potentially controversial as this. At worst case, if you're willing to sacrifice your job, think about trying to get another job...and explaining as to why you were fired.... Your call, and good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NativH View Post
    Don't you just love loose lipped friends (?) who blurt out stuff like that? Had one smart off quite a bit about my AR-10 and its "ridiculous firepower" at an airport once right near a TSA agent. Also mentioned me carrying regularly just to make the situation worse, although he thought he was being cute messing with the TSA, at my expense no less.

    I told him he was a dumba** right then and there and gave him a dressing down as soon as we were out of earshot of that TSA agent. Putting me and my family or job at risk while being stupid or trying to be funny is something I take a really dim view of and I let him know about it. Hopefully your situation will just vaporize like a morning fog. Hopefully.
    For me, the "friendship" would have ended immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bm7b5 View Post
    Oh, and if you made this post from your work computer, well...
    Fortunately, I'm the IT guy.. no worries about that situation.
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    Keep a bullet in your pocket and say that all you did was measure something on your bullet. He didn't see the weapon.

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    The risk of being fired, especially in this economy is more then enough to make sure I keep my gun secured in my car (even though that is a breach of policy).
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    I agree with all, my company's policy is the same way.....i deliver oxygen for a living right now until i graduate the academy and the policy states no firearms on premicise or persons....it BS i know but the bills won't pay themselves so other than risking my job i just bite my lip and go on about my day....i would consider the same if i were you....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight412 View Post
    the co-worker then said, "what are you worried about, you carry a weapon." As he was saying that, I happen to have been looking at my boss (co-worker and the boss are best friends) who gave the wide eyed "Oh damn, I don't believe you just said that!" look to him.
    Was there anyone else besides the three of you in the room? If so, he might have made that face outa respect for you. Seems reasonable enough that your boss might have thought your co-worker shouldn't have said something like that out loud so that everyone in the room could hear it. If there was only you three in the room, well then that's a another thing to consider. But, even then, it could've been the same reaction just between the three of you too. Hard to call. My thinking here is, if he was gonna say something. I think he would've already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XsYang View Post
    Keep a bullet in your pocket and say that all you did was measure something on your bullet. He didn't see the weapon.
    Good idea. May have to keep an extra round in my pocket, if I ever CC at work.

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    Why in the heck did you tell everyone you carry. That's just asking for it IMHO....and now you got it.
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    Ok, if you really don't want people to know you carry at work, then don't go talking about guns and bullet setback at work or on the company phone. Also, don't go measuring bullets with company equipment at work.

    You did it to yourself, don't go looking for someone to blame for outing you at the jobsite.

    You could have waited till you got home to do the measurements and talk to your wife about it, then you would not be in the situation your currently in.

    If you boss didn't immediately call you on the carpet about it, I would say your probably good to go and you should just lay low for a while. It really sounds like you should be working to get some of the guys to the range with you on your off time, since they may seem anti, but choose to talk about it and acknowledge that you are in fact safer with the gun than they are without the gun should someone hack their onstar and track them down.
    Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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    Had a similar situation the last few years before I retired. The policy was no firearms on the property (not even in the vehicle). I was salaried/management. A situation arose involving pigeons and their excrement that was going to cost the company several thousand dollars to correct. My supervisor and his supervisor all the way to the company president knew I hunted and shot target weekly. To make a long story short I was given a wink and a nod and keys (rural properties) and told to keep it below the radar of the general public and my fellow employees and for about ten years did predation work for them on Sundays and Holidays when I could lock myself in to prevent exposure. I knew what the downside would be if and/or when discovered while still employed. You need to assess your options and determine how much you want to gamble with your future employment. I did at the time and it worked out well for me. Your results may vary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XsYang View Post
    Keep a bullet in your pocket and say that all you did was measure something on your bullet. He didn't see the weapon.
    They could get you for carrying live ammunition...don't laugh, I know someone who had that happen.
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