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    My CCW class instructor was very good.
    That being said, I felt more could have been covered, primarily because living in the Peoples Republice of Illinois carrying a firearm is so foreign. However, with the limited time available he did a good job, made it interesting and fun.

    Obviously the instructors whom are the subject of this post were just doing it for the money. They shortchanged their "students", besides violating the NRA standards at least.

    I would report them to the NRA, at the very least.


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    Sorry you had a bad experience. While the majority of instructors take their job seriously, there are those who don't care and are only there for the money. I would suggest you contact whoever it is in your state that licenses the instructors and report them. You might also want to contact the NRA about them as well. If they are NRA certified instructors the NRA can pull their certification.

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    [QUOTE=jjkjr;1296742]now i had the opposite experience....... one of my instructors was a LEO and was very very pro about carrying...was a GREAT class...

    Sounds like mine in Macomb Co. Mi., 1/2 the class was taught by a VERY pro- gun LEO, who gave lots of insight and first hand knowledge!
    I would definitly report them to the local NRA chapter for investigation , as i've belonged to the NRA since 1986 or '87 and this does not sound like something they would condone

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    I was trained by one of this site's advertisers. (If the mods say it's ok, I'll say who it was)

    The class was excellent. Comprehensive, took all day, and every minute of it was worthwhile. There was sufficient range time, with numerous tactical drills.

    The only downside was the lack of ventilation at the range. When I got home I took a shower, and cleaned my sinuses out with a neti pot. It took three rinses before I didn't see silver colored chips.

    As soon as I get time and scrape up the cash, I'm planning on taking one of this guy's advanced classes.
    Last edited by cl00bie; September 12th, 2009 at 11:37 AM. Reason: Had originally said "silver chips", didn't want anyone to think we were training to hunt werewolves :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by justherenow View Post
    Several people are losing their CHL's for buying them because they obviously broke the law by claiming to have took the class. On top of that, those same people may face criminal charges as well. The Sheriff basically made a public announcement that if you bought one of those certificates, things would go very smooth if you just came into the Sheriffs office instead of them coming for you.
    Besides breaking the law, it shows lack of good judgment. Why would anyone think that was ok to do?
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    They never carry unless on duty ??? They are on duty 24 hours a day. They have a commission that says they can intervene in the commission of a felony and make arrests whether they are in uniform or in plain clothes. That is my understanding of a police officers responsibility from the other LEO's I know .....
    Maybe I'm wrong and crime only happens on 8 hour shifts for some officers ...
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    When I took my class in 1987 we were there for about 45 minutes. They told us where we could not carry, tell police that I fired to incapacitate the attacker, if you shoot someone just outside your house drag them inside, and shoot to kill so there is only one story.
    I hope that other people that took classes around that time have researched the rules, regulations and guide lines of the laws that they were not taught in classes back then.

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    My class was not as bad as the OP, but it did leave a lot to be desired. I think the instructor was affraid of giving a straight answer to any questions for fear of being held liable if something were to happen in the future. I asked several questions that were skirted. He too gave the answers to the test and made sure everyone passed the range course regardless of skill (or lack there of).

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    My class for TN HCP was all day and very thorough. One instructor was retired LEO, very professional and very pro carry. The other instructor was an attorney who carried (nuff said!) and went into great detail about legal services and attorney coverage as well as the laws. As TN HCP (resident) is recognized in 35 states, he hit knowing others states laws in detail. He even included the state government Internet sites to visit and the Handgunlaw.us site. We had a full string of qualifying fire at 3, 7, 15 and 25 yards in the indoor range.

    Did it teach me everything I would need Know? No, but it did tell me the basics along with giving me further material to study and showed what I need to practice as far as defensive fire was concerned.

    I really felt I got my money's worth ($85.00).

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    Sounds like you did get a bum class to me

    Our instructors were very nice & Pro gun, they did even give scenarios about to draw or not & some legal ramifications. We had those people as well that could not hit the broad side of a barn & passed (dont really agree with that) All in all our class was good but i do feel it was too short & you dont really get enough out of it. The legal process is a never ending learning process, just keep up with it & you'll be ok.

    Just a note here in MI we could use .22's in the range part if we wanted (some did) The wife & I used 9mm's though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohio Rusty View Post
    They never carry unless on duty ??? They are on duty 24 hours a day. They have a commission that says they can intervene in the commission of a felony and make arrests whether they are in uniform or in plain clothes. >
    Agree 100% Most agencies have mandatory carry off duty But some DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED PS I would report these JOKERS QUICK H/D
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    I have a few friends who are LEO's and they ALL carry when not on the clock!

    As far as being involved in a shooting and dealing with the consequences..... Expect to have your gun confiscated for a time, and also expect to be detained for a time. That may not happen, but "expect" it and have a good gun lawyer on file to handle any ramifications for that 1 in a ten million chance you actually have to draw and use your gun. :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim_45 View Post
    Sounds like you did get a bum class to me
    +1, a couple of real Barney Fifes workin the crowd .
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    Guess I was lucky... My primary instructor was a very knowlegable guy with both the hardware and the theory. He is also a leading "pro" gun, 2a, guy in the area and he almost singlehandedly got the co. sheriff to go with with an "optional" "put me in the db" permit. (ie" you can "opt-out" of being put in the ccw permit db)

    His assistant was also great. He has written many books with his primary focus on Cartridges/ammo. (You didn't dare call a cartridge a "bullet")

    Amazing what a difference the instructors make!

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    Sounds like a couple of rip-off artists to me. They're doing an injustice to the folks who paid good money for this class.

    I think they should be reported. Carrying a weapon is serious business. People deserve to receive the best training possible.
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