CC and drinking
This is a discussion on CC and drinking within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I didn't know where to put this so if it dosen't go here then I apologies.
Here is the scenario. You decide to go with ...
October 4th, 2009 02:45 AM
CC and drinking
I didn't know where to put this so if it dosen't go here then I apologies.
Here is the scenario. You decide to go with a buddy to a party and your CCing your gun. As time goes by you decide you want to drink so you go to your buddy's car and lock up your gun. When it's time to leave you have had more then enough and want to leave, so your buddy drive's you home (he is the DD) but on the way you guy's get pulled over. My question is do you still get in trouble of having a gun under the influence of alcohol even if it's locked up? Can it be in a glove box? Would it be better to lock it in the trunk? Laws may very from state to state but what is your knowledge of this scenario. Keep in mind you weren't planning on drinking but you changed your mind.
October 4th, 2009 02:45 AM
October 4th, 2009 07:00 AM
1. If you do not plan on drinking, then don't. Make a decision and stick to it.
2. As you say, securing your gun appropriately depends on the jurisdiction. Check your local laws.
3. If you are too intoxicated to drive, isn't your situational awareness GONE? Do you really want to put yourself in such a position?
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October 4th, 2009 09:01 AM
CC'ing and drinking alcohol? One word: DON'T
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October 4th, 2009 09:04 AM
The decision to go to a party were alchohol is served while carrying a sidearm is a poor one. Do not make things worse by drinking.
October 4th, 2009 09:31 AM
Learn to refrain, or plan ahead...others have already given you the correct answer..."Don't do it!"
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October 4th, 2009 09:34 AM
What he said
Originally Posted by gimpy
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October 4th, 2009 09:57 AM
I'm probably in a minority here, but what the hey.
Originally Posted by gimpy
IMHO, there is drinking alcohol and there is drinking alcohol.
I would not carry and drink at a party, as the OP's question described -- as there is a good change of getting impaired w/o being aware of how impaired you are.
OTOH, a glass of wine or a beer w/ a meal while carrying works for me. As always YMMV.
Last edited by DaveH; October 4th, 2009 at 05:10 PM.
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October 4th, 2009 10:24 AM
No i would not do it , no need to put yourself our anyone else ( DD,wife & freinds ) at risk , a leo having a bad day , rookie or just doesn't no the laws real well could ruin the whole night.
i have been ccw for 18 years went to many party's , i always made myself the DD , and of course no ONE new i ccw, if a person is responsable enough to carry/own a firearm, then they can also avoid temptation / peer presure.
October 4th, 2009 10:47 AM
Depends SOLEY on the State you are in.
Florida's statuatory take on the subject is that an individual under the influence is not allowed to have the firearm IN HIS HAND. (read 790) Not at all a good idea, but at least in Florida the scenario you describe would not jeopardize either you or the driver.
October 4th, 2009 10:53 AM
+1 for me!!
Originally Posted by DaveH
October 4th, 2009 10:54 AM
Add this to your scenario. On the way home after securing your firearm and having some drinks, you get into an "road rage" altercation with another driver and it becomes life threatening so you retrieve your firearm and use it for self defense. How does your drinking influence a jury in a civil or criminal court? My thought is that if we can't control ourselves and not drink, then we should leave the firearm at home.
October 4th, 2009 11:06 AM
Minority opinion here, but if you go to a party and decide to drink, then properly store your gun in the auto, your fine. If there is a trunk, put it there. If there isn't a trunk put it out of reach, possibly unload it if you feel the need when you decide to have beer and take it off.
If your responsible enough to carry a firearm, then your responsible enough to know if you can have a beer or drink or whatever and not be a threat to anyone else.
This stuff gets hashed over several times a year on DC. There are the tea totalers that say never be near alcohol with any firearm near, and you have the folks that understand it is a responsibility thing. That there are folks that don't get stupid and go shooting up the place because they have a beer or two. Put me in the latter group. If your not an idiot before the beer, you won't be an idiot after the beer. If you are an idiot, well the beer just makes you a bigger one.
Always obey your state laws.
Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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October 4th, 2009 11:18 AM
Very good point. In my state, you must dis arm put the gun in the trunk or lock box, and the ammo in the glove box and your fine. That is in my state, so learn your laws. Drinking while carrying is not smart, but if your in a situation where your going to have some beers, lock it up.
Originally Posted by farronwolf
October 4th, 2009 11:31 AM
At THAT moment, one has to take responsibility for the situation and what might well occur. Having a drink of something is one thing. Going to a party to drink is something else entirely.
Originally Posted by VR4
With ability come responsibility. 'Nuff said, really.
My choice: I don't go to drinking parties, as such. Parties, sure, but there's a difference. And I don't mind a rare drink that has alcohol when going out to a restaurant or other entertainment, though my preference is for non-alcoholic beverages. If I know I'm going to make the choice to drink a bit, then I'm going to make other arrangements for (a) a ride home and (b) my defensive sidearm. In short, if I'm going to be drinking up a storm (which doesn't happen anymore), I'd first disarm (which is one of the reasons to avoid such situations in the first place).
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
How does disarming
the number of victims?
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October 4th, 2009 11:36 AM
I really don't even know why this is a topic at all. When you carry your pistol, you are held to a higher standard. Like it or not, you are. That means keeping your head straight, and available to make clear and rational split second decisions.
It takes only a split second and a stupid action to do a lot of damage for all of our rights. If you cannot control your drinking, or do not think you are impaired after a drink or two, please, do us all a favor and stop carrying. You are doing nobody any good.
If you want a beer, thats fine. I like to have a beer now and then too. Do it at home or leave your gun in your sock drawer.
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