Is Ohio anti-gun?

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    Is Ohio anti-gun?

    I currently live in GA and as I have stated before, I travel to OH a good bit to visit the outlaws. I am currently waiting to get my FLA non-resident permit. To kill the time I have been looking over OH's gun laws and they are a crock! I know that you guys scored a victory with getting the CCL law passed but #$%*. First of all how in the heck are you suppposed to carry in plain sight in a car? I have read the law and it is vague. It almost sounds like I should put my piece on lanyard around my neck like some WWI officer. I hear SOME of the troopers are anti-CCW. Are they going to prey on me since I am from out of state? Second, do state laws trump the local ordinances of Cleveland, Cincinnatti, and bunch of other smaller towns? I really can't afford to mess this up because my employer runs background checks on me every five years and they would fire me for a gun violation.
    Maybe I am just parnoid. Please don't flame me....but this is frustrating.
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    i would say they are but i dont live there

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    by most accounts, Ohio is considered to be pretty ant-gun right up there with Illinois and the anti gun Yankee states.

    Second, do state laws trump the local ordinances of Cleveland, Cincinnatti, and bunch of other smaller towns?
    Only if the state has a preemption law that basically means that a city cannot enact a law that is stricter than that of the state.

    Unfortunaltey, I dont think that Ohio has that law, so the answer would be YES, a city or town or even a homeowners guild could enact a law that is more restricitive than what a state allows.

    If you are out of state you will be looked at harder than a resident if tyou are traveling through...sad, but its just a fact of life. If a trooper does happen to be anti-gun, youd better believe that he will enforce any law, no matter how vague or silly it may be to his advantage.

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    I haven't yet made a trip to OH - but what worries me is the apparent greyness. All depending perhaps on the cop's attitude to carry if stopped.

    I would play very safe, drive carefully and make sure to follow the assinine '' in plain sight'' crock!
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    Well, at least it would appear "normal" Ohio residents can get a CC permit. More than you can say for Maryland and a few others.
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    Well having been pulled over on a fishing trip by a State Trooper I can tell you it can be done.
    There are 3 ways.
    First, keep it in your locked glove box, not console but "GLOVE BOX".
    Second, go to http://homebasedgroup.com/holsters/ and order the thigh holster. That places you piston clearly visible from anybody.
    Third, use a IWB/OWB and make sure that that pistol is visible without breaking the plane of the window. (this is how I was carying when stopped. The trooper didn't have a problem).
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    As an Ohio resident, allow me to shed some light on this crappy situation:

    Ohio isn't necessarily anti-gun, but you wouldn't know that by the laws. We have some powerful lib-tard special interest groups that unfortunately had some sway in the CCW bill. I'll try to answer your questions in the order they were asked.

    1- plain sight in a vehicle. The law states you need to carry in plain sight, in a holster, on your person. What a drag, yeah I know. I carry in a CTAC IWB normally, so I've purchased a cheap Uncle Mike's to clip onto my belt near the buckle when I'm in the car. Either plain sight, or LOCKED in the glove box, not just in the glove box. Or in a locked case, but the case has to be in plain sight.

    2- Troopers preying on you. I don't know if they will prey on you or not, I'm not from out of state. But then again, I don't have a problem in other states. Just follow the speed limit and don't give them a reason to pull you over. Works for me.

    3- preemption. State laws do NOT trump local laws. Different cities can pass all kinds of stupid rules that you should follow. Example - In Toledo you can only have 10 rounds in a mag, even if its a hi-cap mag. I carry an XD with 15 in the mag. Do I care? Not really. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. Same as number 2 - just don't get caught.

    Sorry about Ohio's dumb laws. Try living here. We have a bill in the Senate right now that is going to fix ALL of those points. It already passed the house overwhelmingly. Let me know if there's more I can clarify. Also check out www.packing.org and www.ohioccw.org.

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    Even though our CCW law has a lot of problems, Ohio gun laws are generally not very restrictive.

    Pros:
    --No firearms owner ID card system for purchases
    --No waiting periods
    --No gun registration at the state level (some cities do require it)
    --No limit on number purchased (such as 1 gun a month, etc.)
    --Unloaded firearms may be transported in motor vehicles without any requirement that you be en route to or from a range or other sporting actvity
    --No "assault weapon" ban at state level, some cities do
    --Full auto weapons can be owned if federal requirements are met
    --No ammo restrictions, such as the NJ ban on hollow points
    --Shall issue CCW

    Cons:
    --No state premption over local ordinances, except for the CCW law
    --there is a magazine capacity limit, but it's 30 rounds (except for .22s), so it's not a horrible limit
    --The flaws and restrictions in the CCW law, especially the car carry plain sight nonsense.

    The biggest problems with the CCW law are the car carry issue and the lengthy list of prohibited locations. The restricted locations seem very similar to what a lot of the other states have, but the car thing is definitely unique.

    We're definitely a lot better off here than states like Illinois, Masachusetts, New Jersey, California and Maryland.

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    Hooligan and Invisible Swordsman pretty well summed it up, so I'm not gonna echo what they summed up so succinctly. I've had my OH CCW for only 2 months but hesitate to carry in vehicle, but I DO use the holster clipped low on the seat belt as was suggested by my CCW instructor (and Hooligan).

    Hopefully this legislation will pass making it easier to vehicle carry and overturn local carry codes. Although the gov has said that he'll veto it, hopefully we have enough to override the veto. At worst, he's out in Sept.

    I'm hanging loose on this and hope that our OH burrocrats will eventually straighten this mess out.
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    [QUOTE=Hooligan]Sorry about Ohio's dumb laws. Try living here.

    My wife and I are planning to move up there in about three years. She needs to be closer to her family then I do mine. A Georgia Peach in the Buckeye state, now that should be interesting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Swordsman
    Even though our CCW law has a lot of problems, Ohio gun laws are generally not very restrictive.

    Pros:
    --No firearms owner ID card system for purchases
    --No waiting periods
    --No gun registration at the state level (some cities do require it)
    --No limit on number purchased (such as 1 gun a month, etc.)
    --Unloaded firearms may be transported in motor vehicles without any requirement that you be en route to or from a range or other sporting actvity
    --No "assault weapon" ban at state level, some cities do
    --Full auto weapons can be owned if federal requirements are met
    --No ammo restrictions, such as the NJ ban on hollow points
    --Shall issue CCW

    Cons:
    --No state premption over local ordinances, except for the CCW law
    --there is a magazine capacity limit, but it's 30 rounds (except for .22s), so it's not a horrible limit
    --The flaws and restrictions in the CCW law, especially the car carry plain sight nonsense.

    The biggest problems with the CCW law are the car carry issue and the lengthy list of prohibited locations. The restricted locations seem very similar to what a lot of the other states have, but the car thing is definitely unique.

    We're definitely a lot better off here than states like Illinois, Masachusetts, New Jersey, California and Maryland.

    Mark
    Yeah, but in some towns and locations esp. Cleveland my ownership of a MAK-90 and AR-15 make me a criminal. Heck my Glock 21 with a 13 rounder makes me a criminal in some places. It's not your fault, but I take offense to that.
    In a town like Cleveland where hundreds of police officers have been laid off (or so I have been told) who is going to protect me besides myself?
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    I can concure with what has been reported above and I am an Ohio Resident. I got my CHL in 2004 and carry daily.
    I use a Lifejacket locking case to carry in the car. I have to admit being stopped 2 times (only ticketed 1 time) and both troopers and local police have been very professional. Once informed (with hands on the steering wheel) they seemed to be a little more relaxed knowing I'm a law abiding citizen looking to protect myself.

    I will tell you just be smart, use common sense and inform the officer.
    Everyone wants to be safe so follow the rules, no matter how goofy they are, it is what we have to work with so follow them.
    Alot of folks are working hard to change the laws in Ohio but only time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
    I currently live in GA and as I have stated before, I travel to OH a good bit to visit the outlaws. I am currently waiting to get my FLA non-resident permit. To kill the time I have been looking over OH's gun laws and they are a crock! I know that you guys scored a victory with getting the CCL law passed but #$%*.
    Yeah. Somehow we managed to get an anti-gun republican governor (with a 6.5% approval rating--Yes, that decimal is in the right place), meaning that the CCW law had to take his veto into account.


    First of all how in the heck are you suppposed to carry in plain sight in a car?
    My understanding of the law (IANAL) is that it needs to be holstered on your person in plain sight when the officer comes to the door, not plain sight to people driving by--Thigh holster or such is OK. I've seen references to clipping a holster to the seatbelt, also seen where that may not be considered "on your person" as the law requires. I'm finishing up CCW training Saturday--Plan to carry IWB most of the time, but keep a cheap clip on or velcro holster for car carry.

    We're working on it--A bill to fix that and other things passed in the house 76-18. Taft will veto it when it passes the senate. There may be enough votes to override, but worst case is that we wait for the next gubernatorial election--Both leading candidates are pro-gun.


    I have read the law and it is vague. It almost sounds like I should put my piece on lanyard around my neck like some WWI officer. I hear SOME of the troopers are anti-CCW. Are they going to prey on me since I am from out of state? Second, do state laws trump the local ordinances of Cleveland, Cincinnatti, and bunch of other smaller towns? I really can't afford to mess this up because my employer runs background checks on me every five years and they would fire me for a gun violation.
    Maybe I am just parnoid. Please don't flame me....but this is frustrating.
    Try living here...Preemption is part of the fixit bill in progress now. Check packing.org for details and local ordinances.

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    [QUOTE=Doc Holliday]
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooligan
    Sorry about Ohio's dumb laws. Try living here.

    My wife and I are planning to move up there in about three years. She needs to be closer to her family then I do mine. A Georgia Peach in the Buckeye state, now that should be interesting!

    I'm sorry about that. Might want to try going south of the Ohio river. Our gun laws are better and it's a close drive if her family is in southern Ohio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SammyIamToday


    I'm sorry about that. Might want to try going south of the Ohio river. Our gun laws are better and it's a close drive if her family is in southern Ohio.



    They live about 35 miles south of Cleveland so KY is out of the question. You know, one of the best feelings I get is when I am heading south on I-75 and I see the water tower in Florence, Ky that says FLORENCE YA'LL. It makes me feel like I am home again.
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