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This is a discussion on Flashing, Brandishing, Intimidating within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; yea..... maybe the police arn't allowed to have weapons...... kinda like the UK!! It IS new york after all..........on maybe new jeresy..........oh shoot...... i get ...

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    yea..... maybe the police arn't allowed to have weapons...... kinda like the UK!!
    It IS new york after all..........on maybe new jeresy..........oh shoot...... i get those two so mixed up when it comes to gun laws..........
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    Hmm... Sounds like a "spun" story to me, I'd like to see further details:

    Cop who pulled gun on LIRR says he was attacked

    An off-duty New York City police officer who was arrested after he allegedly pointed his gun at a group of passengers on a Long Island Rail Road train said he was defending himself from unruly hockey fans "out for blood" who attacked him.

    NYPD Officer David Hendrick, 38, of Brentwood, told News 12 Long Island that he identified himself as a police officer and warned a group of LIRR patrons twice to stop harassing other passengers.

    -- VIDEO: Off-duty cop speaks out on his LIRR arrest

    MTA police said their initial investigation showed that Hendrick was trying to quiet down hockey fans returning from a New York Rangers game at Madison Square Garden.

    "It started out with cursing, disrespecting people, drinking," Hendrick said.

    Hendrick gave the group an ultimatum when they ignored him and continued drinking alcohol, smoking and harassing riders: calm down or he would escort them from the Ronkonkoma-bound 9:17 p.m. Sunday train, he said in the interview.

    He said he told the group, "You have two choices. Stop the drinking, stop the cursing, stop the smoking, the disrespect by everybody, or I escort you off the train."

    A fight then broke out, Hendrick said.

    "A rumble ensued. I had my gun on me. They were coming at me. We were fighting, throwing blows . . . I pulled out my gun, pointed it at the subjects. It was two against one. They were out for blood, and that's why I pulled out my gun on the subjects."

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    Brandon Dubinsky John Tortorella Sean Avery Marian Gaborik Henrik Lundqvist "By God's grace and mercy and love, I was able to put that gun aside," he said.

    MTA and Nassau police arrested Hendrick at the Mineola station, MTA police said.

    Hendrick pleaded not guilty Monday in Nassau District Court in Hempstead to second-degree criminal possession of a loaded weapon, a felony, and second-degree menacing, a misdemeanor.

    A judge set bond at $2,000 and cash bail at $1,000.

    If convicted, Hendrick faces a maximum of 15 years in prison.

    Nassau District Court Judge Andrea Phoenix also issued orders of protection for four passengers.

    Hendrick's attorney, Stephen Worth of Manhattan, did not return a call for comment. NYPD officials said Hendrick had been suspended without pay.

    Hendrick was contrite in the video.

    "Unfortunately, it might have not been the best thing to do," he said.


    Well now, that sounds MUCH different. Why is he getting the shaft on this then?
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    This just solidifies my desire to not get involved in stuff when I am not "on the clock".

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    Shouldnt he as a LEO be covered under the Federal LEOSA of 2004? Which means the second-degree criminal possession of a loaded weapon charge go's away?
    I know not what this "overkill" means.

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    Something still sounds like it's missing from this story. But if his side is true, why was he arrested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilMonk View Post

    "It started out with cursing, disrespecting people, drinking," Hendrick said.

    Hendrick gave the group an ultimatum...
    Here's where it went wrong. As bad as their behavior may have been, cursing, "disrespecting" people, and drinking are not killing offenses. Some days, you have to suck it up.

    I may have given him props for flashing his creds to "calm them down", but issuing an ultimatum to rowdy drunks was foolish.

    It's that old saying, "When all you have is a hammer, all your problems look like nails."

    That's why I am big on keeping in shape, learning and practicing non-lethal self-defense, and most importantly, practicing the ancient art of HOW TO AVOID TROUBLE.

    Some people treat their roscoe like a talisman. It's not. It's to be used in only a VERY limited set of circumstances. Also, this guy isn't a Marvel superhero and it's not his job to keep others from being "disrespected" or to discipline others for cursing.

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    Someone is lying, either the cop or the hockey fans. Maybe the rest of the people on the train backed up the hockey fans story . If it happened like the cop claims it did I can't imagine him getting in all of this trouble. At any rate, losing his career and possibly going to jail for 15 years is a pretty high price to pay. Murderers do less than 15 years in lots of cases.

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    How exactly did he "show" his weapon? Did he un-holster it and wave it around, or did he just left up his cover shirt displaying his badge and gun?

    I am very disappointed that the Transit Police didn't extend any professional courtesy to the off-duty officer but rather arrested him. Cops don't make it a habit arresting other cops. Leo's are all on the same side...especialy when requesting cover! Something doesn't set right with me on this story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilMonk View Post
    Hmm... Sounds like a "spun" story to me, I'd like to see further details:
    Nah....this is BS! He identified himself as LEO and the subjects were causing a disturbance. He was in his full right, on the clock, or off.

    Where are the "assaulting a police officer" charges. Is NY, NJ that ****'d up that you arrest the cop and hand the perpetrators a protection order from the court!

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    I hope for his sake he got some uninvolved witnesses. This story continues to sound as though something is missing. I have been on those trains after games and some of the fans can definitely get rowdy but I have not seen it go beyond that.

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    Silly question (that I'd really like answered by our LEO friends):

    Would he have been "in the right" if he had been On Duty?

    If so, I think that he is getting "railroaded" for some reason. Unless he's lying through his teeth...
    That which does not kill us leaves us broken and bleeding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRudolph View Post
    There's got to be more to this story than that.

    How does an off-duty LEO get charged with illegal possession of a firearm? Interesting...
    I agree. Cops get away with a lot worse than this every day. Something is going on we don't know about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeEric View Post
    How exactly did he "show" his weapon? Did he un-holster it and wave it around, or did he just left up his cover shirt displaying his badge and gun?

    I am very disappointed that the Transit Police didn't extend any professional courtesy to the off-duty officer but rather arrested him. Cops don't make it a habit arresting other cops. Leo's are all on the same side...especialy when requesting cover! Something doesn't set right with me on this story.

    By "professional courtesy" do you mean cover it up, lie, ignore the truth, ignore the law, etc.? Are you saying cops are above the law?

    I think there's more to the story, but the MTA police did an initial investigation and found sufficient evidence to arrest Hendrick. Hendrick, himself said "Unfortunately, it might have not been the best thing to do". Sounds like he's admitting doubt and/or poor judgment . . . with a lethal weapon.

    It's up to the courts/lawyers now.

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