October 29th, 2009 09:29 PM
No, because IT is going nowhere.
Originally Posted by F350
You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas - David Crockett
When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson
October 29th, 2009 09:55 PM
Uh, this thread is (or was) about a conversation -- no crime, no damages -- just a friendly disagreement about an extremely improbable set of hypotheticals
Originally Posted by Deanimator
Want to talk about a crime or tort? create a thread and see where it leads
October 29th, 2009 11:35 PM
A softball question about a routine traffic stops isn't a "extremely improbable set of hypotheticals" . The hypotheticals came after the LEO's made up laws during the discussion...
Originally Posted by FLSquirrelHunter
October 30th, 2009 12:16 AM
I pulled this direct from Wiki, draw your own conclusions;
Vehicle carry without a permit is allowed either in a snapped holster in plain view, or when the firearm is concealed if the firearm is "securely encased". "Securely encased" means in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access. (Note: this legal condition is not the same as "encased securely.") Vehicle carry without a permit is permitted when concealed even if it is not "securely encased" if the firearm is not "readily accessible". Vehicle carry on one's person inside a vehicle without a permit is not allowed.
Open carry when on foot in a public area is generally not permitted, but is allowed in certain circumstances, as defined in Florida statute 790.25(3). For example, open carry is permitted while hunting, fishing, or camping, or while target shooting, or while going to or from such activities. When hunting on private land, or on properties expressly approved for hunting by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or Division of Forestry, open carry is also permitted.
State preemption laws prohibit localities from regulating firearms, other than with regards to zoning laws (i.e., for restricting where gun sellers may locate their businesses.)
Firearm regulations are uniform throughout the state, and a carry permit is valid throughout the state, in all areas other than in a few specially-defined areas. These specially-defined prohibited areas include:
federally-controlled areas (such as national parks, inside the boundaries of which guns must be kept securely locked.),
in or around specially-marked buildings/grounds (notably, mental hospitals and any hospitals with provisions to treat mental illness, where concealed carry is a felony even with a permit (F.S. 394.458). F.S 394.458 does state concealed carry is prohibited "unless authorized by law". Since F.S. 790.06(12) does not prohibit concealed carry in hospitals that treat mental illness by permit holders, it can be inferred that concealed carry with a permit is allowed. Caution is advised since there currently is no case law. In other words, no case has been referred to a Grand Jury nor has any person been tried for violating the law. One Florida resident was arrested but the charges were subsequently dropped after their attorney successfully argued the permit holder was excepted. Be advised each county's prosecutor may have a different opinion.
any place of nuisance,
any Governmental Judicial meeting,
any school or college,
professional athletic event, and
any federal buildings or property.
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