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    Don't know source of this but might be good news.

    FORT WORTH, Texas -- One day after a shooter opened fire at Fort Hood, Texas, Army Chief of Staff George W. Casey Jr. ordered a review of all force protection policies at Army bases worldwide.

    Thursday's shooting, he said during a briefing at Fort Hood, was a "kick in the gut."

    Casey's announcement comes after questions were raised about base security and why soldiers couldn't protect themselves where they live and work.

    "There will be an investigation, a look at the whole policy, but Congress should not step in and try to change the policy," said U.S. Rep. Kay Granger, R-Texas.

    Each branch of the military sets a policy on whether guns may be carried on bases. Private guns are not allowed on Army bases or at facilities such as the Naval Air Station Fort Worth.

    Soldiers generally carry weapons on base only when there is a reason, such as a training exercise or a trip to the firing range. Personal weapons are registered with authorities on the base and stored until they are signed out.

    "This base, and other bases, these are people's homes," Granger said. "So there are people who are armed on base - military police, security guards - but not in their homes, their schools or, in this case, the deployment area."

    U.S. Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, is among those wondering whether that is the right policy."The investigation at Fort Hood is still ongoing, and Congressman Burgess believes that answers are needed before conclusions can be drawn and action can be taken on related issues," said Lauren Bean, a Burgess spokeswoman.
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    Yes, perhaps a disaster like this was what they needed in order to see the reality. What is a shame is that it needed to go so far before they realized it. God Bless Our Soldiers!
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    "There will be an investigation, a look at the whole policy, but Congress should not step in and try to change the policy," said U.S. Rep. Kay Granger, R-Texas.
    Congress created the federal victim rich (gun free) zones and it will take action on their part to change them, while I doubt it will happen this would be a step in the right direction highlighting the foolishness of so-called gun free zones of all types.
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    Thet should ATLEAST be able to have a gun in the home!

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    Army to review gun policies for all bases - State/Nation/World - bnd.com

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    Army to review gun policies for all bases
    By ANNA M.TINSLEY AND AMAN BATHEJA - McClatchy Newspapers

    FORT WORTH, Texas -- One day after a shooter opened fire at Fort Hood, Texas, Army Chief of Staff George W. Casey Jr. ordered a review of all force protection policies at Army bases worldwide.

    Thursday's shooting, he said during a briefing at Fort Hood, was a "kick in the gut."

    Casey's announcement comes after questions were raised about base security and why soldiers couldn't protect themselves where they live and work.

    "There will be an investigation, a look at the whole policy, but Congress should not step in and try to change the policy," said U.S. Rep. Kay Granger, R-Texas.

    Each branch of the military sets a policy on whether guns may be carried on bases. Private guns are not allowed on Army bases or at facilities such as the Naval Air Station Fort Worth.

    Soldiers generally carry weapons on base only when there is a reason, such as a training exercise or a trip to the firing range. Personal weapons are registered with authorities on the base and stored until they are signed out.

    "This base, and other bases, these are people's homes," Granger said. "So there are people who are armed on base - military police, security guards - but not in their homes, their schools or, in this case, the deployment area."

    U.S. Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, is among those wondering whether that is the right policy."The investigation at Fort Hood is still ongoing, and Congressman Burgess believes that answers are needed before conclusions can be drawn and action can be taken on related issues," said Lauren Bean, a Burgess spokeswoman.

    Thursday's shooting revived the debate about gun rules for military bases. Currently, concealed-handgun laws such as the one in Texas do not apply on military bases.

    Suzanna Hupp, a former state representative whose parents were among the Killeen, Texas, Luby's massacre victims in 1991, said allowing soldiers on base to carry arms would not prevent attacks like Thursday's but would likely reduce the damage.

    "Of course the element of surprise was a probably valuable tool for a creep like this," Hupp said. "You're not going to prevent somebody from killing those first couple of people ... but after that ... it could have ended much, much, much sooner."

    Hupp said the issue wouldn't be addressed while the Obama administration is in power.

    Texas Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, a gun rights advocate, said that the policies at military bases should be up to military officials but that a review makes sense.

    "I'm not saying the policy should change ... but again we have an example of a shooter going to a target-rich environment where he knew that no one was there who could resist," he said.

    Gun control groups quickly pointed to the Fort Hood shooting as a reason to stiffen gun control laws.

    "This latest tragedy, at a heavily fortified Army base, ought to convince more Americans to reject the argument that the solution to gun violence is to arm more people with more guns in more places," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
    Rampage forces review of security policies on Army bases worldwide | Local News | Star-Telegram...

    Rampage forces review of security policies on Army bases worldwide

    By ANNA M. TINSLEY and AMAN BATHEJA

    atinsley@star-telegram.com

    One day after a shooter opened fire at Fort Hood, Army Chief of Staff George W. Casey Jr. ordered a review of all force protection policies at Army bases worldwide.

    Thursday’s shooting, he said during a briefing at Fort Hood, was a "kick in the gut."

    Casey’s announcement comes after questions were raised about base security and why soldiers couldn’t protect themselves where they live and work.

    "There will be an investigation, a look at the whole policy, but Congress should not step in and try to change the policy," said U.S. Rep. Kay Granger, R-Fort Worth.

    Each branch of the military sets a policy on whether guns may be carried on bases. Private guns are not allowed on Army bases or at facilities such as the Naval Air Station Fort Worth.

    Soldiers generally carry weapons on base only when there is a reason, such as a training exercise or a trip to the firing range. Personal weapons are registered with authorities on the base and stored until they are signed out.

    "This base, and other bases, these are people’s homes," Granger said. "So there are people who are armed on base — military police, security guards — but not in their homes, their schools or, in this case, the deployment area."

    U.S. Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Lewisville, is among those wondering whether that is the right policy."The investigation at Fort Hood is still ongoing, and Congressman Burgess believes that answers are needed before conclusions can be drawn and action can be taken on related issues," said Lauren Bean, a Burgess spokeswoman.

    Thursday’s shooting revived the debate about gun rules for military bases. Currently, concealed-handgun laws such as the one in Texas do not apply on military bases.

    Suzanna Hupp, a former state representative whose parents were among the Killeen Luby’s massacre victims in 1991, said allowing soldiers on base to carry arms would not prevent attacks like Thursday’s but would likely reduce the damage.

    "Of course the element of surprise was a probably valuable tool for a creep like this," Hupp said. "You’re not going to prevent somebody from killing those first couple of people . . . but after that . . . it could have ended much, much, much sooner."

    Hupp said the issue wouldn’t be addressed while the Obama administration is in power.

    Texas Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, a gun rights advocate, said that the policies at military bases should be up to military officials but that a review makes sense.

    "I’m not saying the policy should change . . . but again we have an example of a shooter going to a target-rich environment where he knew that no one was there who could resist," he said.

    Gun control groups quickly pointed to the Fort Hood shooting as a reason to stiffen gun control laws.

    "This latest tragedy, at a heavily fortified Army base, ought to convince more Americans to reject the argument that the solution to gun violence is to arm more people with more guns in more places," said Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
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    Isn't it strange that those who take an oath to defend the Constitution, have their own Constitutional rights trampled on...what a shame...
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    I am so happy to hear something sensible might result from this tragedy.

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    Unarmed soldiers...doesn't make any sense does it?
    I wonder how they handle it in Israel?
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    Funny how all these laws don't seem to have much effect on the criminal element. One mistake our Founders made was to allow our elected morons the ability to just sit on their asses making law after law. I guess they never foresaw that Honor & Integrity might just become less valued than Greed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Unarmed soldiers...doesn't make any sense does it?
    I wonder how they handle it in Israel?
    they would probably be in trouble for NOT having their Galil or Uzi on their person 24/7
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    Quote Originally Posted by 64zebra View Post
    they would probably be in trouble for NOT having their Galil or Uzi on their person 24/7
    This is What a new resident moving to Israel would have to do to be licensed to own a handgun. Note the 3 year residency requirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Censored View Post
    This is What a new resident moving to Israel would have to do to be licensed to own a handgun. Note the 3 year residency requirement.

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    And that is why I will Not be moving to Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billdeserthills View Post
    Funny how all these laws don't seem to have much effect on the criminal element. One mistake our Founders made was to allow our elected morons the ability to just sit on their asses making law after law. I guess they never foresaw that Honor & Integrity might just become less valued than Greed.
    What are forefathers had in mind is NOTHING like whats happening. The people are supposed to have power over the government. Sadly that's not the case anymore. The government has succeeded in taking away most of our constitutional rights.

    In my opinion slavery was never fully taken away. They just found a way to make it legal and enslave ALL of us. Because If I truly am a "free" person why do I have someone telling me what I can and can't do all the time??

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    I haven't followed the Virginia Tech tragedy, but did any CCW legislation come out of that? I remember that a person vocally complained about not being able to carry on the campus and that he had to leave his gun at home.

    It doesn't seem like something always happens after a tragedy to prevent it from ever happening again.

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