Concealed Carry Would Have Saved Lives at Fort Hood

This is a discussion on Concealed Carry Would Have Saved Lives at Fort Hood within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Do you agree or disagree with the contents of the following article? Kish Collections: Concealed Carry Would Have Saved Lives at Fort Hood Can anyone ...

Page 1 of 5 12345 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 62

Thread: Concealed Carry Would Have Saved Lives at Fort Hood

  1. #1
    New Member Array jnkish's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Southern Illinois
    Posts
    3

    Concealed Carry Would Have Saved Lives at Fort Hood

    Do you agree or disagree with the contents of the following article?
    Kish Collections: Concealed Carry Would Have Saved Lives at Fort Hood
    Can anyone help to answer the following questions?

    1) When were privately owned guns banned from Fort Hood? Why? Who banned them? I have heard from ex-military that privately owned guns were banned in the late 70's or early 80's. Is this true?

    2) Where were the armed guards? I have heard that armed guards were common at Fort Hood in the 50's. Is this true? When were the number of armed guards reduced? Why? Who reduced them? When was Fort Hood security outsourced? Why? Who outsourced it?
    Last edited by jnkish; November 8th, 2009 at 05:40 PM. Reason: added space for readability

  2. Remove Ads

  3. #2
    VIP Member Array dukalmighty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    texas
    Posts
    15,179
    Even open carry would have saved lives,3 minute response time is BS,I believe all Senior NCO's and Officers should be armed with sidearms to be able to defend the troops under their control,had that policy been in place there would have been numerous armed people on site that could have immediately returned fire not to mention the fact knowing that there would be an armed threat the terrorist may have never considered it due to him being engaged immediately
    "Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
    --Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .

  4. #3
    Member Array ItsMyRight2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    SouthFlorida
    Posts
    315
    I believe it would have changed things if the people on base were carrying. When someone is shooting at you I don't believe you have time to call police and wait for them to respond. All the while the guy is shooting up the place.

    Gun free zones are like a free buffet to the BG's. They know they will not be met with return fire. I personally try to avoid gun free zones where I am most vulnerable to bad guys. You think BG's follow those signs?? lol

    Reminds me of this.......


  5. #4
    Member Array j21blackjack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Kingsland, Georgia
    Posts
    484
    I work on a Navy Base and I can tell you security is a flat out joke. Anyone could get a gun on base at any time, it's ridiculous. Not to mention that on my particular base, housing is open to the public, but firearms are still banned!!! Concealed carry in my line of work would be impossible due to going on and off Submarines all day, but for the office workers and non-waterfront guys it wouldn't be. The gate guards are absolutely worthless when it comes to stopping criminals or murderous people. These guys think that just because you need an ID to get on base, that stops the bad guys.

  6. #5
    Member Array billdeserthills's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    104
    My guess would be that our soldiers are only trusted to fight and die for our leaders, therefore they don't need to defend themselves until they are safely placed onto foriegn soil. Apparently they are then trusted to kill the enemy, until they return home where they can be feared and reviled by the leaders who sent them away in the first place.

  7. #6
    Distinguished Member Array SpringerXD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Southeast
    Posts
    1,996
    I can't give you any sources, but I do know this.... I spent eight years in the Air Force and it was VERY illegal to carry a gun on base. You could own guns, but they had to be kept in the base armory. Any time you wanted to get your gun, you had to fill out paperwork before the SP's could release your own gun into your care.

    In fact, there was an SP (Security Policeman) who was discharged from the Air Force because a gun was found in his dorm room. This was on Bergstrom AFB in the late 80's.
    "I practice the ancient art of Klik Pao."

    -miklcolt45

  8. #7
    Member Array crankinNM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    NM
    Posts
    314
    Quote Originally Posted by billdeserthills View Post
    My guess would be that our soldiers are only trusted to fight and die for our leaders, therefore they don't need to defend themselves until they are safely placed onto foriegn soil. Apparently they are then trusted to kill the enemy, until they return home where they can be feared and reviled by the leaders who sent them away in the first place.
    Wow, quite a pain body there.

    I agree that open carry would be a good Idea by NCO's in charge of facilities...........I don't think that military posts are going to let the rank and file carry concealed.

  9. #8
    Moderator
    Array RETSUPT99's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Central Florida
    Posts
    44,637
    Wow! Soldiers can't be trusted to CCW? What am I missing here?
    Certainly this BG army officer could still have killed a few, but he would have looked like swiss cheese in but a moment or two. Perhaps he would not have even tried if he knew all personnel were armed.
    The last Blood Moon Tetrad for this millennium starts in April 2014 and ends in September 2015...according to NASA.

    ***********************************
    Certified Glock Armorer
    NRA Life Member[/B]

  10. #9
    Distinguished Member Array jumpwing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Washington
    Posts
    1,271
    Your average enlisted Joe is not the most disciplined individual and theft has always been a problem in the barracks. The "unsecured footlocker" scene in Full Metal Jacket is not a hollywood embellishment.

    I like dukalmighty's idea. I think all NCOs and officers should carry pistols at all times, and housing (on OR off post) should be allowed to maintain a firearm.
    "The flock sleep peaceably in their pasture at night because Sheepdogs stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
    cafepress.com/bgstudios

  11. #10
    Member Array hdawson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    North Carolina
    Posts
    191

    Cool

    If ten uniformed people pulled and started shooting, how many cases of friendly fire might have happened?

  12. #11
    Member Array glock man's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    usa
    Posts
    18
    OK -- let me see the last time we had a shooting on a military base was --- I'm still trying to remember --- still thinking --- Now all of a sudden we need to arm everyone on base!! Come on people.. this is a one in a kind thing -- but I think we need to arm them now because of copy cat people who may try the same thing.... You always have the copy cat nut out there...

  13. #12
    Senior Member
    Array StevePVB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Jacksonville, FL
    Posts
    1,042
    This is way over my pay grade. Walk into a "room" with lots of uniformed soldiers shooting. How to know who is the BG?? Assume the MP's are shooting at the right target?

    I'm convinced civilian (e.g. shopping mall) are easier to sort out.

  14. #13
    VIP Member
    Array TX-JB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Sugar Land, TX
    Posts
    5,738
    Quote Originally Posted by hdawson View Post
    If ten uniformed people pulled and started shooting, how many cases of friendly fire might have happened?
    I bet less than those who were killed or injured as it happened.
    "Texas can make it without the United States, but the United States can't make it without Texas!".... Sam Houston

    Retired LEO
    Firearms Instructor
    NRA Life Member

  15. #14
    Ski
    Ski is offline
    Member Array Ski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    40
    You can't stop somebody that has this type of intent, arm everyone there and it doesn't make a difference. Because the BG changes tactics, ie suicide bomb. This jerk wasn't planning on getting away with it! His plan was actually ruined because he is alive.
    As far as carrying on base there is no way that is ever going to change, been there done that. These guys come HOME and need to feel some normalcy, when they are deployed they are in a "state of readiness" all the time. There is no training for a traitor at home on base, no clear mission.
    Last edited by HotGuns; November 9th, 2009 at 10:06 PM. Reason: language workaround

  16. #15
    VIP Member Array edr9x23super's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    2,108
    I see a couple of things here:

    1) These people are soldiers; they are trained to strip and handle weapons blindfolded.

    2) You ask these same soldiers to risk their lives on our behalf for something just a little more than minimum wage, calling in airstrikes with million dollar ordinance, yet you don't trust them with defending themselves or anyone else when they are on base or at home?

    3) The only time they are allowed to lock and load is often only when they are leaving for battle and then there are complex rules of engagement which are difficult to interpret and usually confuse more than they clarify.

    No wonder our troops are suffering. If you can't trust these people with weapons, who can you trust, and what kind of message are their commanders sending by having so little confidence in their troops?
    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined". - Patrick Henry

Page 1 of 5 12345 LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. Enabling the next Fort Hood?
    By DaveH in forum The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: November 27th, 2009, 01:29 PM
  2. Statistics show concealed carry saves many lives, takes few
    By Diddle in forum In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: November 16th, 2009, 09:36 PM
  3. Hasan's choice of gun likely saved lives
    By Holger in forum Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: November 9th, 2009, 01:18 PM
  4. Fort Hood
    By Damion in forum Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: November 5th, 2009, 05:09 PM
  5. Open Carry / RTKBA saved lives in Richmond, Va last night
    By roberev in forum Open Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: July 18th, 2009, 03:14 PM

Search tags for this page

can i conceal carry on fort drum

,

can you conceal carry in fort hood

,

concealed carry in army guard bases

,

did fort hood have armed guards

,

fort hood armed guards

,

fort hood do non military people who work there and live on base allowed to have a gun in there home

,

fort hood where were the armed guards?

,

ft hood concealed carry

,

lives saved by concealed

,

unsecured footlocker full metal jacket

,

were there armed guards at fort hood

,

where there armed guards at fort hood

Click on a term to search for related topics.