Traffic stop procedure
I know this has been covered to one extent or another but I think it bears repeating and is true in all states...not just Michigan.
The main thing I took from this is that if the officer asks for your weapon you should ask him to safely remove it as you should NOT be comfortable handing a loaded weapon to another person...if he insists then read the lawyers sugestions for meathods of doing this.
Taken from MCRGO - Frequently Asked Questions about Michigan Gun Laws
Q: I had a couple of questions I can't seem to get an answer to. First, my son who has his cpl was stopped by the police and he informed them he was carrying. The officer asked for his weapon and removed it from him, unloaded it, AND unloaded the magazine. After the stop (he was just a passenger), the officer gave hime the weapon an pile of ammo/magazine back to reload himself. I found this quite unnecessary and was really furious over this. I saw no reason for this. Secondly, I purchased a long gun at one of the gun shows and had to have a background check. I asked why and the vendor stated the at the new law says anyone with a cpl dated BEFORE 2005 did not have to go through the background check but mine, dated prior to 2005, had to do so. Is this correct? Doesn't seem right to me. If there is such a ruling, could you please direct me to it?
A: There is no standard way being taught to Michigan law enforcement officers on how to deal with CPL holders.
The Michigan Commission on Law Enforcement Standards (MCOLES) has not yet developed uniform training standards for dealing with law-abiding citizens who are carrying during a traffic stop. This is what I recommend to my students.
It's a basic rule of firearm safety that we don't hand a loaded gun to another person. In dealing with a LEO, especially one not used to lawful citizens carrying, you do NOT want to hand him your gun. Having your gun in your hand is a dangerous situation for him, and for you (and especially for other officers arriving as you are handing it over). Allow the officer to remove it from you; it allows him the control he demands, and it is safer for everyone.
In fact, I recommend that if an officer instructs someone to hand the officer a loaded gun, one should offer to let the officer remove it. You don't want to create a scenario during a traffic stop, where the LEO tells you to hand over your pistol. His partner's watching from the passenger side, therefore he can't hear the instruction; the partner sees you pull your gun. The partner is going to stick his gun in your ear and could ruin your whole day.
If the LEO repeats his direction that you hand your pistol to him, first check for the partner or back-up. Then do it, being careful not to (1) put your finger anywhere near the trigger (2) sweep yourself with the barrel, or (3) sweep LEO with the barrel. It is nearly impossible in a car to accomplish all three.
Take off you entire holster if possible and hand over the package. Perhaps set the pistol down somewhere and step away from it.
I would recommend saying "Officer, I'm uncomfortable handing you a loaded pistol, but I have no problem if you wish to remove it from me yourself." It may be impossible to disarm while sitting in car without sweeping someone with the muzzle.
If the LEO wants to disarm you during the traffic stop, let him. I wouldn't expect the LEO to reload your gun after the stop. I would expect he would hand it back unloaded.
On the NICS check issue, recently Michigan State Attorney General Mike Cox announced that the BATF has approved his request to allow the Michigan Concealed Pistol License as an alternative to the NICS check when purchasing a firearm from an FFL dealer using the ATF Form 4473. This ruling becomes effective on Friday, March 24, 2006. You can read the announcement here.
lawyers sugestions for meathods of doing this.
I love Arizona. At a traffic stop we would share ammo.
I have a friend going to school to become a LEO. He is in the CPL section of the course at this time. It seems that it depends on were you get your education.
NOT in the county where I live!:pokey:
Originally Posted by threefeathers
After I was a cop, I started showing my hands, out the window, after I started getting stopped. Recently, having gotten my CCW license, I had forgot about legally carrying firearms in my car and being on the computers. A cop stopped me and walked up the the car and immediately asked me about it. No doubt, he was watching my hands while I got my papers out of my glove box. My revolver was hidden inside my door pocket pouch. No problem, we were both nice and polite, but I was reminded that, if you choose to get a CCW and take the classes, you will agree to being fingerprinted and photographed with background checks that will be forever stored on hard drives as long as you are alive.
I was stopped not long ago. My words were "Sir I am informing you I have a LTCF and it is on my person located ________" Cop said thank you sir, please step out of the vehicle, for my safety I will put in in my vehicle and return it when we are done. I gave it to him with slide OPEN and mag REMOVED (after I asked if I could do that) after all was said and done he gave it all back and asked if it was a comfortable carry gun,lol. I have found that most cops are pretty good about it.(although his hand was on his sidearm the entire time until MINE was in his weak hand)
God help us all after ONE CCW carrier commits a crime, hurts or kills an innocent [or guilty] bystander or civilian, or does likewise to a cop at a traffic stop. I have a hunch that such an incident will be lunch for The Brady Bunch and their pet media whores, once more. They have already blamed the 2nd Ammendment and claimed that the murderous militant Major Moozlim could not have murdered those 13 people, at Ft. Hood, had he not legally been allowed to buy his gun at a local store. Therefore, disarm us all so that we can be safe at the mall.
You have me a bit confused...what is your point and how does it pertain to the topic at hand?:confused:
Originally Posted by Cold Warrior
I will also add that I have yet to have a bad experiance with a traffic stop or any other encounter with an officer. I have yet to be asked to dissarm although I know others who have been in the same area. In fact, one time I was NOT asked to when the person with me was...may have helped that I knew the officer and the other fella (my brother) was nervous as all get out as he has not had the interactions that I have had with local, state and federal law enforcement.
I know for fact that if you are calm...to an extent they will be as well. And if you are nervous...they will be as well. This is for good reason and the same things that I have been trained to look for everywhere I go. This is a HUGE difference between sheep'le and the shepherds watching out for them.
Sorry, off topic (but hey, it's my post...sorry)
In Florida, most CCW instructors teach leaving your hands at 10 and 2 and informing (although not required by law unless asked) the officer of your weapon.
I have had some contact with FL LEO's and I do not get too formal. I just inform them that I'm a legally armed Floridian. Each time the LEO has also kept it informal, I have never been asked for a permit, never been disarmed, always treated professionally.:hand10:
I was told by my LGS clerk of how he was handcuffed and disarmed by a traffic stop 2 weeks ago....of course he keeps 3 guns on him at all times and a AR and a AK in his vehicle....I thought is was a funny story!
I was stopped once. I turned off the engine, pull down the window and put my hands on the steering wheel. When the LEO approached my car he asked me for the DL; I handed it to him along with my CCW permit at the same time that I informed him I was carrying a firearm. To my surprise he did not pay much attention to it, and he walked back to his car to run me while I was waiting in my car. He was very professional and courteous.
Police Stop w/CCW permit
In my case putting my hands at 10 & 2 wouldn't work at all. I have a pickup with a camper cap. The windows on my camper cap are tinted so you cannot see through them at all.
Originally Posted by harley2007
The first thing I do when pulled over is roll down my drivers side window & put both hands out the window in plain sight. When approached by the LEO I tell them that I have a CCW permit (although it is NOT required) & that I am carrying a firearm. At this point I'll follow the LEO's directions for as good encounter as possible.
As long as your hands are in plain sight that is the right thing to do in a traffic stop.