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A Stranger in a Strange Land.......

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    Today I went to yet another GunShow.

    Did the usual browsing , had a nice lunch with some of the online
    guys I have come to know thru shooting get-togethers, bought
    some ammo..

    But this time was somehow different.

    Because this time I ventured away from PA , and went to my
    previous home state of NY.

    I still work in NY , but I have always had family roots in PA and
    after a year and a half of living here, I consider myself a bona fide
    ridgerunner.

    So I found myself strangely ill at ease as i walked around the show.

    I couldn't carry anything more dangerous than a pocket knife ; no
    plunking down some cash ,and after 10 minutes paperwork and a
    phone call - walking out with a new pistol.

    ( I am not allowed to even possess my own handguns in NY now. )

    All the Military style rifles I love had either odd contraptions on
    them , or bare muzzle ends.

    I couldn't even buy spare magazines over 10 rds capacity , unless I
    paid 2 or 3 times the price i am used to.
    (for the few that were available)

    All in All , a Bittersweet day off.

    Something perhaps for those of us in Freer places to reflect upon.

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    Sometimes hard to imagine that in a country with the "right to keep and bear arms" as our birthright, so many local jurisdictions can impede or outright infringe on that right.
    "I surrounded 'em"- Alvin York

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    It goes both ways too...

    I've had kinfolk from the socialist states of NY,RI,NJ and Mass. come to visit me here in Arkansas freak out at the display of weapons just driving down the street in the back of pickup truck windows.

    I got into a discussion with a cousin of mine that was convinvced that I was a felon for owning Ar-15's, Ak's, and some of the other stuff that I've got. She thought that I worked for the mob because I own a suppressor...and even after I showed her the "stamp" from the BATF she was covinced it was still illegal...

    Another cousin of mine was an avowed antigunner...right up until I taught him how to shoot several pistols. He loved it. I took him to a gunshow and he was in a state of shock...and could'nt beleive that it was legal to buy a gun on the spot and walk out with it.

    An uncle of mine that lives in New Jersey was convinced that owning an "assault" weapon was illegal in the entire country and tried to convince me that the "average person" didnt need one for hunting...

    until I took him to the range and he saw several other AR's there. He smiled everytime he shot it. Eventually, he came to admit that perhaps they werent as "eviL" as they were made out to be...


    Those folks get hammered with lies,distortions and misconceptions so often that eventually they beleive everything that they hear. They have no idea of the bondage that they live in and are totally amazed at the rest of the country and how it operates when they finally do get out and experience life elsewhere. They all display a sheeple mentality because that is how they were raised and even the simple concept of self defense in foreign to them and they expect someone else to be able to protect them. Unfortunatly, theyseem to be in the majority.

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    Well Hitler said it best "Tell a big enough lie often enough to enough people it becomes a fact. The anti gun people have lied to the people so often that the people no longer think for themselves. Mr Brady and his group are a prime example. He was shot by a confirmed crazy person and tried with all his power to tell the world that all people are crazy if they want to own a gun to protect themselves and their families. The news media still plays that role anytime a bad guy is shot while doing a crime they play up the rights of the bad guy and never say anything positive about the Good Guy or Gal that saved the day. We should be handing out awards to the Good people for improving the gene pool.
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    Absolutely true. I work with several of these people who think there's something wrong with you if you own guns and it must be illegal to own the SKS, AK, etc. I even had one seriously whisper under her breath, "isn't that illegal?" as if I would be talking at work about doing/owning something illegal.

    There's one I convinced to go to a gunshow with me. She even touched a gun for the first time (granted it was a NAA .22, but hey, it was a step in the right direction, and funny as heck to watch her touch it as if it might bite her). One of these days I might even get her to the range...never know.
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    Guess the lesson is just stay out of New York if you can, especially if you are shopping for guns.
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    I guess you could say that PA provides one of the several huge contrasts - in particular if you compare PA and NJ. I fully expect (had I even gone) that my experience of a NY gun show would have been equally bittersweet!

    I doubt we are quite as ''laid back'' overall as some southern states but not bad for Yankees! I can live with it.
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    I guess you could say that PA provides one of the several huge contrasts - in particular if you compare PA and NJ.
    Irony is the fact that in Communist NJ I can't even hold a pistol in a gun store because I don't have their firearms id card. Yet the great Commonwealth of PA allows me to carry. Go figure.
    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

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    I've had kinfolk from the socialist states of NY,RI,NJ and Mass. come to visit me here in Arkansas freak out at the display of weapons just driving down the street in the back of pickup truck windows.
    I remember moving from NJ to TN and spotting gun racks in pickups and thinking that was just the neatest thing. And the cops at the gun shows - they're there to buy and sell, too.
    "Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power." - Yoshimi Ishikawa

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    AKsrule,

    When I read that title, Stranger in a Strange Land, I thought it was something else, entirely.

    You grok?

    mm
    Political Correctness has now "evolved" into Political Cowardice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betty
    I remember moving from NJ to TN and spotting gun racks in pickups and thinking that was just the neatest thing. And the cops at the gun shows - they're there to buy and sell, too.
    TN gun-shows are "ok" .... Betty, you guys need to make the Houston, or Wannamaker show. I still remember, being about 15, stopping at a DQ during a road-trip with my dad, in (IIRC) Elgin, TX. We had lunch, and were stretching our legs, when I noticed a gun-shop, across the highway. OMG, I walked into a set from Terminator! Franchi SPAS-12s, ARs, AKs, MAC's, MP-5, Vollmer HK 51, mags, bags, and ammo, oh, my! This was in a town with a population of probably 2500. TX is great!

    Would SWAT sponsor coverage of Wannamaker, for you? Hey, ask Chris, it would be worth a try!

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    We get people up here from California who believe (really believes) that the gun laws of California cover the entire United States (yes, they are that arrogent).

    I was out shooting my SKS Sporter and the AR-15 one day when I had a friendly visit from the Sheriff (actually a Deputy). Seems that a California couple called them to say that they saw someone (me) with "illegal" firearms. As was explained to the the dispatcher, "This guy has military weapons, fully automatic, and guns with silencers on them" (the silencer one is where they thought me shooting CB's in a .22 revolver had to be a silencer because they didn't hear a loud report).

    I asked the Deputy what he would have done if I had had a fully auto and a silencer and he said that he would have asked for my "permission slip" from the feds and if I had would have bid me good day (which he did anyway since they were semi auto and legal in this state *grin*).

    I was in the mountains and I guess the couple passing by were either lost or trying to find the Inn that was about 10 miles down the road and took the wrong turn (the only two roads on this road but one is dirt (the one I was on) and the other is paved).

    People from NY, MA, IL, D.C. would have a heart attack if they came this way and especially on the East side where they love their Class III's

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