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    Hey guys,

    So I'm turning 21 in a few days and I plan on getting my CCW permit as soon as possible....problem is, I'm still in college and I won't be able to get to a courthouse until some weekend when I'm home. Is there somewhere online where I can print out a PA permit application?

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    This is the one I used................

    http://www.co.centre.pa.us/sheriff/license_to_carry.pdf
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    yup, Centre County is where I got mine...
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    so it doesn't matter if I don't live in Centre county?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow0 View Post
    so it doesn't matter if I don't live in Centre county?
    Look where I live.

    I got mine through Centre County.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow0 View Post
    so it doesn't matter if I don't live in Centre county?
    Yes, it does matter for PA residents. You have to apply to the Sheriff of your county. Many Sheriffs make the LTCF application available online, but you can't apply online. You can download and print the application, but you'll have to submit the paper in person. Google _____ County PA Sheriff's Office. They probably have application information on their site.

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    lol gunnybunny "look where i live..." :-)

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    I used to live in PA before I moved to FL for a short time ago. You are NOT allowed to send the application online. You have to go to the sheriff office of your county; when there they will take a photo of you and your fingerprints, and you will have to pay 35 dollars (at least when I did it). Be aware that they require two references and that they must live in your county; if you do not have them they will deny your permit. I my case, the form that I downloaded from the Internet was not accepted because the color of the paper is different, and for that reason I had to fill other one while there; in my county the form had to be blue. If you never had problems wit the justice before you will receive your permit by mail within two weeks. Where in PA do you live?
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    I think we can be most helpful to the OP by not posting a lot of erroneous information.

    You must apply to the County Sheriff in your county of residence. For Philadelphia only, you must apply to the Chief of Police.
    Applicants are not required to be fingerprinted.
    There is no requirement that the form be a particular color, or that your references live in the same county you do. They don't even have to be residents of PA. The approved application form comes from the PSP. Sheriffs that add extra hoops to the process (there are a few) are in fact acting in violation of Commonwealth law.
    Many counties will issue LTCFs on the spot.

    BlackShadow0,

    I suggest you visit the Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association. It's the best place for Pennsylvania specific information on carrying a firearm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unloved View Post
    I think we can be most helpful to the OP by not posting a lot of erroneous information.

    You must apply to the County Sheriff in your county of residence. For Philadelphia only, you must apply to the Chief of Police.
    Applicants are not required to be fingerprinted.
    There is no requirement that the form be a particular color, or that your references live in the same county you do. They don't even have to be residents of PA. The approved application form comes from the PSP. Sheriffs that add extra hoops to the process (there are a few) are in fact acting in violation of Commonwealth law.
    Many counties will issue LTCFs on the spot.

    BlackShadow0,

    I suggest you visit Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association. It's the best place for Pennsylvania specific information on carrying a firearm.




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    Quote Originally Posted by unloved View Post
    I think we can be most helpful to the OP by not posting a lot of erroneous information.

    You must apply to the County Sheriff in your county of residence. For Philadelphia only, you must apply to the Chief of Police.
    Applicants are not required to be fingerprinted.
    There is no requirement that the form be a particular color, or that your references live in the same county you do. They don't even have to be residents of PA. The approved application form comes from the PSP. Sheriffs that add extra hoops to the process (there are a few) are in fact acting in violation of Commonwealth law.
    Many counties will issue LTCFs on the spot.

    BlackShadow0,

    I suggest you visit the Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association. It's the best place for Pennsylvania specific information on carrying a firearm.
    I do not know if the procedure is the same in all the counties or not, and after reading your post I wonder if I am not mixing the fingerprinting part with FL. However, I am positive that the other information I wrote is correct. I had to fill a new form while there because the paper’s color was wrong, and the first time I applied my permit was denied because one of the references did not live in the same county.
    I agree that he should not rely on information from any Internet’s forum, and I do not know for how long time ago you got your CCW permit. However, before you state that the information I wrote was totally wrong you should consider the possibility that it not necessarily has to be like there you live, or that the weapon law might have changed since you got your CCW or I got mine. You are calling my liar and I do not like it; even worse because you do not say it directly to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GM View Post
    You are calling my liar and I do not like it; even worse because you do not say it directly to me.
    Whoa, take it easy. No one is calling you a liar. I'm saying that some of the information you posted is incorrect.

    I do not know if the procedure is the same in all the counties or not...
    It's supposed to be. The procedure is required by law to be uniform throughout Pennsylvania.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes
    18 Pa.C.S. § 6109: Licenses
    (a) Purpose of license.--A license to carry a firearm shall be for the purpose of carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's person or in a vehicle throughout this Commonwealth.
    (b) Place of application.--An individual who is 21 years of age or older may apply to a sheriff for a license to carry a firearm concealed on or about his person or in a vehicle within this Commonwealth. If the applicant is a resident of this Commonwealth, he shall make application with the sheriff of the county in which he resides or, if a resident of a city of the first class, with the chief of police of that city.
    (c) Form of application and content.--The application for a license to carry a firearm shall be uniform throughout this Commonwealth and shall be on a form prescribed by the Pennsylvania State Police. The form may contain provisions, not exceeding one page, to assure compliance with this section. Issuing authorities shall use only the application form prescribed by the Pennsylvania State Police. One of the following reasons for obtaining a firearm license shall be set forth in the application: self-defense, employment, hunting and fishing, target shooting, gun collecting or another proper reason. The application form shall be dated and signed by the applicant and shall contain the following statement:
    I have never been convicted of a crime that prohibits me from possessing or acquiring a firearm under Federal or State law. I am of sound mind and have never been committed to a mental institution. I hereby certify that the statements contained herein are true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief. I understand that, if I knowingly make any false statements herein, I am subject to penalties prescribed by law. I authorize the sheriff, or his designee, or, in the case of first class cities, the chief or head of the police department, or his designee, to inspect only those records or documents relevant to information required for this application. If I am issued a license and knowingly become ineligible to legally possess or acquire firearms, I will promptly notify the sheriff of the county in which I reside or, if I reside in a city of the first class, the chief of police of that city.
    (d) Sheriff to conduct investigation.--The sheriff to whom the application is made shall:
    (1) investigate the applicant's record of criminal conviction;
    (2) investigate whether or not the applicant is under indictment for or has ever been convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment exceeding one year;
    (3) investigate whether the applicant's character and reputation are such that the applicant will not be likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety;
    (4) investigate whether the applicant would be precluded from receiving a license under subsection (e)(1) or section 6105(h) (relating to persons not to possess, use, manufacture, control, sell or transfer firearms); and
    (5) conduct a criminal background, juvenile delinquency and mental health check following the procedures set forth in section 6111 (relating to sale or transfer of firearms), receive a unique approval number for that inquiry and record the date and number on the application.
    (e) Issuance of license.--
    (1) A license to carry a firearm shall be for the purpose of carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's person or in a vehicle and shall be issued if, after an investigation not to exceed 45 days, it appears that the applicant is an individual concerning whom no good cause exists to deny the license. A license shall not be issued to any of the following:
    (i) An individual whose character and reputation is such that the individual would be likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety.
    (ii) An individual who has been convicted of an offense under the act of April 14, 1972 (P.L. 233, No. 64), known as The Controlled Substance, Drug, Device and Cosmetic Act. [FN1]
    (iii) An individual convicted of a crime enumerated in section 6105.
    (iv) An individual who, within the past ten years, has been adjudicated delinquent for a crime enumerated in section 6105 or for an offense under The Controlled Substance, Drug, Device and Cosmetic Act.
    (v) An individual who is not of sound mind or who has ever been committed to a mental institution.
    (vi) An individual who is addicted to or is an unlawful user of marijuana or a stimulant, depressant or narcotic drug.
    (vii) An individual who is a habitual drunkard.
    (viii) An individual who is charged with or has been convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year except as provided for in section 6123 (relating to waiver of disability or pardons).
    (ix) A resident of another state who does not possess a current license or permit or similar document to carry a firearm issued by that state if a license is provided for by the laws of that state, as published annually in the Federal Register by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of the Department of the Treasury under 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(19) (relating to definitions).
    (x) An alien who is illegally in the United States.
    (xi) An individual who has been discharged from the armed forces of the United States under dishonorable conditions.
    (xii) An individual who is a fugitive from justice. This subparagraph does not apply to an individual whose fugitive status is based upon nonmoving or moving summary offense under Title 75 (relating to vehicles).
    (xiii) An individual who is otherwise prohibited from possessing, using, manufacturing, controlling, purchasing, selling or transferring a firearm as provided by section 6105.
    (xiv) An individual who is prohibited from possessing or acquiring a firearm under the statutes of the United States.
    (2) Deleted by 1995, June 13, No. 17 (Spec. Sess. No. 1), § 2, effective in 120 days.

    (3) The license to carry a firearm shall be designed to be uniform throughout this Commonwealth and shall be in a form prescribed by the Pennsylvania State Police. The license shall bear the following:
    (i) The name, address, date of birth, race, sex, citizenship, height, weight, color of hair, color of eyes and signature of the licensee.
    (ii) The signature of the sheriff issuing the license.
    (iii) [Reserved]
    (iv) [Reserved]
    (v) The reason for issuance.
    (vi) The period of validation.
    The sheriff may also require a photograph of the licensee on the license.
    <Text of subsec. (e)(3) effective upon publication of the notice under 18 Pa.C.S.A. § 6109(h)(2) or five years and 60 days [Jan. 10, 2011], whichever is first.>
    (3) The license to carry a firearm shall be designed to be uniform throughout this Commonwealth and shall be in a form prescribed by the Pennsylvania State Police. The license shall bear the following:
    (i) The name, address, date of birth, race, sex, citizenship, height, weight, color of hair, color of eyes and signature of the licensee.
    (ii) The signature of the sheriff issuing the license.
    (iii) A license number of which the first two numbers shall be a county location code followed by numbers issued in numerical sequence.
    (iv) The point-of-contact telephone number designated by the Pennsylvania State Police under subsection (l).
    (v) The reason for issuance.
    (vi) The period of validation.
    <Text of subsec. (e)(4) effective upon publication of the notice under 18 Pa.C.S.A. § 6109(h)(2) or five years and 60 days [Jan. 10, 2011], whichever is first.>
    (4) The sheriff shall require a photograph of the licensee on the license. The photograph shall be in a form compatible with the Commonwealth Photo Imaging Network.
    (5) The original license shall be issued to the applicant. The first copy of the license shall be forwarded to the Pennsylvania State Police within seven days of the date of issue. The second copy shall be retained by the issuing authority for a period of seven years. Except pursuant to court order, both copies and the application shall, at the end of the seven-year period, be destroyed unless the license has been renewed within the seven-year period.
    (f) Term of license.--
    (1) A license to carry a firearm issued under subsection (e) shall be valid throughout this Commonwealth for a period of five years unless sooner revoked.
    (2) At least 60 days prior to the expiration of each license, the issuing sheriff shall send to the licensee an application for renewal of license. Failure to receive a renewal application shall not relieve a licensee from the responsibility to renew the license.
    (g) Grant or denial of license.--Upon the receipt of an application for a license to carry a firearm, the sheriff shall, within 45 days, issue or refuse to issue a license on the basis of the investigation under subsection (d) and the accuracy of the information contained in the application. If the sheriff refuses to issue a license, the sheriff shall notify the applicant in writing of the refusal and the specific reasons. The notice shall be sent by certified mail to the applicant at the address set forth in the application.
    (h) Fee.--
    (1) In addition to fees described in paragraphs (2)(ii) and (3), the fee for a license to carry a firearm is $19. This includes all of the following:
    (i) A renewal notice processing fee of $1.50.
    (ii) An administrative fee of $5 under section 14(2) of the act of July 6, 1984 (P.L. 614, No. 127), [FN2] known as the Sheriff Fee Act.
    (2)
    (i) The Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency shall implement, within five years of the effective date of this paragraph, a system in conjunction with the Pennsylvania State Police and the Pennsylvania Sheriffs' Association to standardize and modernize the process of issuing licenses to carry firearms. Upon implementation of the system under this paragraph, the Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency shall publish notice thereof in the Pennsylvania Bulletin.
    (ii) An additional temporary fee of $5 shall be remitted by the sheriff to the Firearms License to Carry Modernization Account, which is hereby established as a special restricted receipt account within the General Fund of the State Treasury. Moneys and investment income in the account shall be awarded as grants to sheriffs to implement the system, including grants to reimburse sheriffs for expenses incurred prior to the effective date of this paragraph.
    (iii) Moneys credited to the account and any investment income accrued are hereby appropriated on a continuing basis to the Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency. The commission shall establish procedures related to the application process for and distribution of funds to sheriffs under this paragraph. Notwithstanding the provisions of subparagraph (ii), the commission may withhold annually an amount not exceeding 5% of the funds credited to the account in that fiscal year for the cost to implement the system under subparagraph (i) and for administrative costs directly related to the responsibilities of the commission under this paragraph.
    (iv) This paragraph shall expire five years after its effective date. Any surplus funds remaining in the account established in subparagraph (ii) at such time shall lapse into the General Fund.
    (3) An additional fee of $1 shall be paid by the applicant for a license to carry a firearm and shall be remitted by the sheriff to the Firearms License Validation System Account, which is hereby established as a special restricted receipt account within the General Fund of the State Treasury. The account shall be used for purposes under subsection (l). Moneys credited to the account and any investment income accrued are hereby appropriated on a continuing basis to the Pennsylvania State Police.
    (4) No fee other than that provided by this subsection or the Sheriff Fee Act may be assessed by the sheriff for the performance of any background check made pursuant to this act.
    (5) The fee is payable to the sheriff to whom the application is submitted and is payable at the time of application for the license.
    (6) Except for the administrative fee of $5 under section 14(2) of the Sheriff Fee Act, all other fees shall be refunded if the application is denied but shall not be refunded if a license is issued and subsequently revoked.
    (7) A person who sells or attempts to sell a license to carry a firearm for a fee in excess of the amounts fixed under this subsection commits a summary offense.
    (i) Revocation.--A license to carry firearms may be revoked by the issuing authority for good cause. A license to carry firearms shall be revoked by the issuing authority for any reason stated in subsection (e)(1) which occurs during the term of the permit. Notice of revocation shall be in writing and shall state the specific reason for revocation. Notice shall be sent by certified mail to the individual whose license is revoked, and, at that time, notice shall also be provided to the Pennsylvania State Police by electronic means, including e-mail or facsimile transmission, that the license is no longer valid. An individual whose license is revoked shall surrender the license to the issuing authority within five days of receipt of the notice. An individual whose license is revoked may appeal to the court of common pleas for the judicial district in which the individual resides. An individual who violates this section commits a summary offense.
    (i.1) Notice to sheriff.--Notwithstanding any statute to the contrary:
    (1) Upon conviction of a person for a crime specified in section 6105(a) or (b) or upon conviction of a person for a crime punishable by imprisonment exceeding one year or upon a determination that the conduct of a person meets the criteria specified in section 6105(c)(1), (2), (3), (5), (6) or (9), the court shall determine if the defendant has a license to carry firearms issued pursuant to this section. If the defendant has such a license, the court shall notify the sheriff of the county in which that person resides, on a form developed by the Pennsylvania State Police, of the identity of the person and the nature of the crime or conduct which resulted in the notification. The notification shall be transmitted by the judge within seven days of the conviction or determination.
    (2) Upon adjudication that a person is incompetent or upon the involuntary commitment of a person to a mental institution for inpatient care and treatment under the act of July 9, 1976 (P.L. 817, No. 143), known as the Mental Health Procedures Act, or upon involuntary treatment of a person as described under section 6105(c)(4), the judge of the court of common pleas, mental health review officer or county mental health and mental retardation administrator shall notify the sheriff of the county in which that person resides, on a form developed by the Pennsylvania State Police, of the identity of the person who has been adjudicated, committed or treated and the nature of the adjudication, commitment or treatment. The notification shall be transmitted by the judge, mental health review officer or county mental health and mental retardation administrator within seven days of the adjudication, commitment or treatment.
    (j) Immunity.--A sheriff who complies in good faith with this section shall be immune from liability resulting or arising from the action or misconduct with a firearm committed by any individual to whom a license to carry a firearm has been issued.
    (k) Reciprocity.--
    (1) The Attorney General shall have the power and duty to enter into reciprocity agreements with other states providing for the mutual recognition of a license to carry a firearm issued by the Commonwealth and a license or permit to carry a firearm issued by the other state. To carry out this duty, the Attorney General is authorized to negotiate reciprocity agreements and grant recognition of a license or permit to carry a firearm issued by another state.
    (2) The Attorney General shall report to the General Assembly within 180 days of the effective date of this paragraph and annually thereafter concerning the agreements which have been consummated under this subsection.
    (l) Firearms License Validation System.--
    (1) The Pennsylvania State Police shall establish a nationwide toll- free telephone number, known as the Firearms License Validation System, which shall be operational seven days a week, 24 hours per day, for the purpose of responding to law enforcement inquiries regarding the validity of any Pennsylvania license to carry a firearm.
    (2) Notwithstanding any other law regarding the confidentiality of information, inquiries to the Firearms License Validation System regarding the validity of any Pennsylvania license to carry a firearm may only be made by law enforcement personnel acting within the scope of their official duties.
    (3) Law enforcement personnel outside this Commonwealth shall provide their originating agency identifier number and the license number of the license to carry a firearm which is the subject of the inquiry.
    (4) Responses to inquiries by law enforcement personnel outside this Commonwealth shall be limited to the name of the licensee, the validity of the license and any information which may be provided to a criminal justice agency pursuant to Chapter 91 (relating to criminal history record information).
    (m) Inquiries.--
    (1) The Attorney General shall, not later than one year after the effective date of this subsection and not less than once annually, contact in writing the appropriate authorities in any other state which does not have a current reciprocity agreement with the Commonwealth to determine if:
    (i) the state will negotiate a reciprocity agreement;
    (ii) a licensee may carry a concealed firearm in the state; or
    (iii) a licensee may apply for a license or permit to carry a firearm issued by the state.
    (2) The Attorney General shall maintain a current list of those states which have a reciprocity agreement with the Commonwealth, those states which allow licensees to carry a concealed firearm and those states which allow licensees to apply for a license or permit to carry a firearm. This list shall be posted on the Internet, provided to the Pennsylvania State Police and made available to the public upon request.
    (n) Definition.--As used in this section, the term "licensee" means an individual who is licensed to carry a firearm under this section.
    ...and after reading your post I wonder if I am not mixing the fingerprinting part with FL.
    I have never heard of any county other than Philadelphia requiring fingerprints, so I guess that's possible. Fingerprinting is not required under Commonwealth law. However, it may be allowed due to the following sentence.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes
    The form may contain provisions, not exceeding one page, to assure compliance with this section.
    Philly's fingerprinting requirement has never been challenged.

    However, I am positive that the other information I wrote is correct. I had to fill a new form while there because the paper’s color was wrong, and the first time I applied my permit was denied because one of the references did not live in the same county.
    Then the Sheriff of the county in which you applied was acting illegally. Read the statute I posted. You won't find any requirement that the form be on paper of any particular color, or that references live in the same county as the applicant. You will see that the form prescribed by the PSP is the only form allowed. Sheriffs do not have the authority to make changes to that form. The form says nothing about where references live. Using references that don't live in the same county you do is not one of the statutory reasons for denial. If you were denied for that reason, you could have appealed. You would have won.

    There are Sheriffs who try to make it more difficult to get a LTCF. Certain counties are notorious for adding extra, unlawful requirements to the process. They're breaking the law. It's that simple. I think they get away with it because many applicants don't understand the law, and so don't challenge them.

    I agree that he should not rely on information from any Internet’s forum, and I do not know for how long time ago you got your CCW permit. However, before you state that the information I wrote was totally wrong you should consider the possibility that it not necessarily has to be like there you live...
    I was issued my first LTCF about 15 years ago. My current license was issued in '07. It does necessarily have to be like where I live. That was part of the purpose of PA's Uniform Firearm Act.

    ...or that the weapon law might have changed since you got your CCW or I got mine.
    I know it hasn't changed since I got my first license. When did you get yours?

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    The OP's question was answered a while ago....


    My advice would be for the OP to call his Sheriff's Office and see exactly what THEY want done for an app. As noted above, most counties in PA have the application on their website, print it off on WHITE paper and you should be good to go.

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