Would you notify LE?
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Here's the scenario, borrowed from another thread. You're walking back to ...
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Yes, call the police and tell them what happened.
No, get in your car and drive away.
Some other option?
April 27th, 2006 05:38 AM
Would you notify LE?
I wanted to see what your opinions would be. I can see both sides.
Here's the scenario, borrowed from another thread. You're walking back to your car, at night, in a dark parking lot. Someone perceived as 'shady' is approaching you, perhaps asking you some baiting question. You shout verbal warnings telling him not to come any closer, you try to put distance and objects (like cars) between you and them, you change your path/route, none of which seems to phase him, he continues to approach, perhaps with a hand in a pocket or behind his back, at this point you fear for your life and draw your weapon. The BG halts, immediately beats feat in the opposite direction.
Here's the question:
1.) Do you immediately call law enforcement and notify them of the event, telling them that you drew your weapon?
2.) Do you just get in your car and drive away.
3.) Some other option? Please elaborate.
There is a chance that the BG could actually call the police and tell them that some lunatic just pulled a gun on them. If they beat you to the call, it could make you look very bad for a brandishing charge.
On the other hand, if he's a true BG, he'll probably be thankfull he's still breathing and doesn't relish chats with LE, so he won't call them.
April 27th, 2006 06:26 AM
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Depending on the situation, I would probably call 911 and advise them of the incident.
The person who calls first is most likely going to be viewed by the PD as the victim and is going to be listened to quicker than the guy who gets picked up after the call goes in.
In another scenario that did actually happen to me I did not call the police.
I was exiting a shopping mall in Los Angeles in about 1988 during the Christmas season with packages. Three local youths decided to take what I had. I had a difference of opinion. I was unarmed and in the melee I bruised their fists with my face and body until I was able to get to my car which was unlocked. Upon opening the door, bleeding, I grabbed the lower end of a pool cue that I kept inside next to the driver seat. When I came up I started swinging. The first guy took a shot above his ear and dropped like a sack of flour. The second guy took a hit to his collar bone and beat a hasty retreat with the third guy. I left the first guy on the ground bleeding from the side of his head and got into my car and drove away.
I reported the incident to no one. I figured that in LA, I was the armed opponent fighting three poor unarmed young kids just out for an evening stroll.
I don't know to this day what damage I did to the first kid. Though I never saw anything of the incident in the newspaper, it's possible I killed him. I honestly didn't care whether I did or not. They started it and I ended it.
My biggest concern in leaving is that someone had gotten my license plates and reported it to the PD, but nothing ever came of it that I know of.
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April 27th, 2006 06:42 AM
If that happens I'd go ahead and give the cops a heads up as I was driving off. If for no other reason than crime statistics.
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April 27th, 2006 07:56 AM
Definitely worth a call to the police. If nothing else, it gives them a data point to base patrol patterns on.
If the guy is a genuine BG, he's probably no stranger to the criminal justice system, and may well have warrants. If the police can make contact with him, he may well end up going to jail even though he probably committed no chargeable offense in the scenario presented.
Plus, getting the first call into the police makes you the 'victim' (even though by being armed you refused to actually be one), and would probably help out in the event someone else saw the event (or just saw you) and also called it in.
April 27th, 2006 08:18 AM
You bet call LE it is usually believed that he who calls 911 first is the winner.
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April 27th, 2006 09:36 AM
I voted "yes, call them" for this specific incident for the reasons already mentioned. You look better if you call first, the police may already be looking for the guy, etc.
If, however, I were to be involved in a situation like the one acparmed mentioned, I would be less likely to call. If I had to use physical force on someone and I was pretty sure that there were no witnesses, surveillance-cameras, etc. I would probably just "take yes for an answer" and leave.
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April 27th, 2006 09:55 AM
April 27th, 2006 10:13 AM
One more vote for...
Calling law Enforcement.
When you consider the way politics & law mixes in some states (California comes to mind) the call to a 911 center demonstrates what Vincent Bugliosi called a, "Conciseness of innocence". If the BG called later, like after he ran for a mile or two...the cops need to believe only one of you. I might even stick around to chat with a peace officer.
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April 27th, 2006 10:46 AM
I at this point in my life would have called.
In my younger days I was stabbed and robbed. I lived in a bad section of town in a major city. No one knew, not LE, not medical personell, not my parents, I treated myself.
Now years later as a mature adult I would handle the situation in a similiar (but not same) manner and would seek medical attention and notify LE.
I'm no longer in that environment and my honest hope is that I'll never again have to be in such a situation.
April 27th, 2006 10:48 AM
Get in the car and leave.
I haven't done anything wrong why would I call?
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April 27th, 2006 12:55 PM
I would do the same....
Originally Posted by AirForceShooter
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April 27th, 2006 02:32 PM
My take: I would get in my car and get out of there, first thing. Make sure you are in the clear first thing, whether you call or not. I would probably call in a report of suspicious activity and give a description of the guy. If I drew my weapon, I would not say anything. You're not breaking the law by omitting that, and there is not record of "John Doe" drawing a weapon. I see it mainly as a CYA deal. Say, for instance, you are somehow on record as having drawn your weapon. Say now that some time later you, heaven forbid, end up in a defensive shooting. Would you not want every legal advantage possible? What I mean by that is, depending on where you are, who the DA is, etc, a "history of 'brandishing' a weapon" might very well be concocted by local media or others trying to make hay out of a gun issue.
In short, saying that you drew a weapon does nothing positive, and has the potential (however small that is), to bite you in the keester later.
Edit to add: I seriously doubt that some shady character would want to draw attention to himself by making a call to the police to report someone pulling a weapon on them, when they were clearly up to no good (this is assuming that the armed citizen was in the right).
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April 27th, 2006 03:29 PM
I agree with RezMedic. There was a case here in CT where just what you described happened. The intended victim went home, only to have the cops at his door 2 hours later. He told the cops what happened, and they believed him (the BGs had long rap sheets) but because THEY called first, he was arrested.
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April 27th, 2006 04:22 PM
You would definitely be doing yourself a favor to report an incident. If the bad guy runs to the cops first and complains about some guy flashing a gun around then you'll have a lot of explaining to do. If you call it in then the police will more likely take your side.
Originally Posted by AirForceShooter
April 27th, 2006 04:33 PM
I voted to call.
Just a point of interest, I have a niece who works for the police department. Her job is to analyze those grainy films you see of hold ups, etc.. Last year a police officer was shot and killed. She was called in to check, I think If I remember correctly she told me, 18 different films taken around the scene of the crime. Just goes to show you never know who or what is watching you.
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