Do I have any way to carry in the Imperial State of New York?

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    Do I have any way to carry in the Imperial State of New York?

    My 87 year old Dad recently sold his house and the closing will be in late January. I will be going with him to 'clean out the place' and was wondering if there is ANY way to carry (or at the very least have my weapon with me).

    Besides being used to carrying, I really don't want to have a big target (in the form of a U-Haul truck) without any protection.

    To top things off, Dad recently had a fender-bender and was required to take a driving test (which he did not pass). Needless to say, he is not happy with NYS DMV.

    Thanks!

    Bill

    ps. I plan on being totally out of luck on this issue, but I am hoping that someone will have an idea that I did not think of...
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    To be frank... you are SOL.

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    Yeah, I figured as such...

    Heck, I don't even know who to try to bribe!!

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    As a former prisoner, err..resident...
    No. No such thing as a non resident permit, no reciprocity and a long PITA process to get a permit AS a resident, IF you live in a county there that will issue at all.

    I hate even visiting relatives there anymore.

    Get comfortable with blunt weapons, and less than lethals.
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    what are the laws on long guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arko View Post
    As a former prisoner, err..resident...
    No. No such thing as a non resident permit, no reciprocity and a long PITA process to get a permit AS a resident, IF you live in a county there that will issue at all.

    I hate even visiting relatives there anymore.

    Get comfortable with blunt weapons, and less than lethals.

    Arko you make it sound like very few counties in NY issue when in FACT that is not the case. Two questions, how many counties are there in NY and how many do NOT issue?
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    You can not even buy pistol ammo from Walmart any more with out a NY pistol permit. I always used my form 6 and state hunting permit. Which I am legally permitted to do so as long as the ammo stays in the US. I like to buy it over there. It is less then half the price compared to Canada. I shoot in VT and have my CCW for ME and just waiting... on NH. NY laws remind me of Canada, they are a bit better but not by much.
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    Do I have any way to carry in the Imperial State of New York?
    Only after the swastika's are removed from the state house ;)

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    NY State is comprised of about 64 counties of which 4 are considered to be NY City. Only a few of the counties close to the dreaded 4 (Manhattan,Kings,Queens and Richmond) are a little more involved when it comes to getting a handgun permit but permits ARE issued in them.

    The 4 listed above make up only a very minor portion of the State's geography but as to the rest of the State obtaining a permit is just a matter of having a clean record and filling out the paperwork. Many counties automatically issue non-restricted permits.

    Long guns (except for the dreaded 4) are not a permit issue anywhere in the State..

    FWIW

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    Quote Originally Posted by boscobeans View Post
    NY State is comprised of about 64 counties of which 4 are considered to be NY City. Only a few of the counties close to the dreaded 4 (Manhattan,Kings,Queens and Richmond) are a little more involved when it comes to getting a handgun permit but permits ARE issued in them.

    The 4 listed above make up only a very minor portion of the State's geography but as to the rest of the State obtaining a permit is just a matter of having a clean record and filling out the paperwork. Many counties automatically issue non-restricted permits.

    Long guns (except for the dreaded 4) are not a permit issue anywhere in the State..

    FWIW

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    Bosco,
    It's not quite THAT easy, even upstate. The background check is ridiculous, and can take forever, and even some UPSTATE counties reject a considerable portion of applications, with little recourse as the state is MAY issue, not SHALL issue.
    Getting a permit in my native Oneida County requires an act of Congress, or "knowing" the right people.
    I'm happy for YOU though if your county wasn't quite so onerous.

    But, more to the point, there is NO way for the OP to carry legally.
    (and I think it's crap)
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    Quote Originally Posted by boscobeans View Post
    NY State is comprised of about 64 counties of which 4 are considered to be NY City. Only a few of the counties close to the dreaded 4 (Manhattan,Kings,Queens and Richmond) are a little more involved when it comes to getting a handgun permit but permits ARE issued in them.

    The 4 listed above make up only a very minor portion of the State's geography but as to the rest of the State obtaining a permit is just a matter of having a clean record and filling out the paperwork. Many counties automatically issue non-restricted permits.

    Long guns (except for the dreaded 4) are not a permit issue anywhere in the State..

    FWIW

    bosco
    Thanks Bosco...

    We have enough to deal with in NY that we don't need misrepresentation.
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    I wasn't trying to misinterpret. I was a native and found the system to get one god-awful. Your mileage and perception may vary. My eyes opened wide when I moved south and found more of the freedom that every citizen should enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arko View Post
    Bosco,
    It's not quite THAT easy, even upstate. The background check is ridiculous, and can take forever, and even some UPSTATE counties reject a considerable portion of applications, with little recourse as the state is MAY issue, not SHALL issue.
    Getting a permit in my native Oneida County requires an act of Congress, or "knowing" the right people.
    I'm happy for YOU though if your county wasn't quite so onerous.

    But, more to the point, there is NO way for the OP to carry legally.
    (and I think it's crap)

    I have yet to here of ANYONE without a felony conviction being denied a permit. I can't speak for the county you lived in but I know people from all over the place whom had no problem getting them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rottkeeper View Post
    I have yet to here of ANYONE without a felony conviction being denied a permit. I can't speak for the county you lived in but I know people from all over the place whom had no problem getting them.
    From Oneida County's Website:

    Application Information

    IN ORDER TO PICK UP AN APPLICATION FOR A PISTOL LICENSE IN ONEIDA COUNTY YOU MUST MEET THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA:

    1. Be at least 21 years old
    2. Be a resident of Oneida County for at least 1 year
    3. Show proof of the above 2 items with a valid NYS Drivers License ONLY.
    4. Show proof that you have had previous formal handgun training within the last three (3) years.

    a. A Certificate or letter from a N.R.A. Basic Pistol shooting course.
    b. Active Military ID or recent discharge papers. (3 years)
    c. Active Police Officer or Corrections Officer status or recently retired (3 years)
    5. *To Receive a "full carry" license or "unrestricted" license, It is solely the licensing officers decision as to whether the applicant has demonstrated proper cause for the issuance of a unrestricted license.

    Onondaga and most Syracuse area counties are similar.

    Notice that reference to proper cause". That's crap.

    But hey, I'm not looking for an argument. You like it there, and can get yours...great. Happy for you. Glad someone can, and perhaps I'm mistaken about other areas, but you can't deny that it's neigh impossible for a non resident to carry...and that IS crap in my book.
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