Standing in the local ATT store, with my elbow on the counter, and what do I spot?

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    Thumbs down Standing in the local ATT store, with my elbow on the counter, and what do I spot?

    Looking out the front window while waiting for the sales person to try and resurrect my fried SIM card, I spot on the glass next to the front door the dreaded "No Firearms" sign.

    Of course I have my Sig warmly and securely concealed at 4 o'clock and do a little smile inside...

    I look at the staff working and considering a Q&A about firearms, one woman is standing behind the counter obliviously texting, another is on the phone (kinda sounded like a personal call, but who was listening...) and the most geeky guy was helping me. None of the name tags said that they were a manager, so I am having an internal debate: do I ask for the manager or be confrontive some way else.

    I decided to actually send a letter today to the manager of the ATT store. I do not believe that it is a ATT policy but I will find out and let you know! BTW, does anyone have a good letter that they would like to share, one that is concise but with a good punch?

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    ps: Today's Tip of the Day: Make sure that your phone numbers are saved to your phone and not your SIM card!!! I have to re-enter all of mine - a real PITA!
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    Does the sign hold any legal water in Ky?
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    Not sure, I hope one of the 'legal eagles' will chime in on that subject!

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    I always thought if there was no statue listed on the sign (i.e. 123.456) then it was only a preference, and all they could do was ask you to leave if they somehow found out you were carrying. Is this right?

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    Nope, signs have no legal power in KY.

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    A few points...

    Quote Originally Posted by billpocz View Post
    I look at the staff working and considering a Q&A about firearms, one woman is standing behind the counter obliviously texting, another is on the phone (kinda sounded like a personal call, but who was listening...)
    That's pretty unprofessional, right off the bat.

    Quote Originally Posted by billpocz View Post
    I decided to actually send a letter today to the manager of the ATT store. I do not believe that it is a ATT policy but I will find out and let you know!
    What is important to determine is whether this is a corporate AT&T store or a "3rd Party"/"Authorized" dealer. 3rd Party/Authorized Dealers in wireless are typically small operations (less than half a dozen stores or so) so the owners are generally pretty emotionally and financially invested in their stores. You will have the most luck with one of these "small business" owners since it more directly and drastically effects their wallets. If it's corporate, good luck.

    Quote Originally Posted by billpocz View Post
    ps: Today's Tip of the Day: Make sure that your phone numbers are saved to your phone and not your SIM card!!! I have to re-enter all of mine - a real PITA!
    I'm a Service and Repair technician for a major wireless carrier. Let me tell you, there is no intelligent way to "depend" on your phone's contact list for your phone numbers.

    Customers that I see with a dead phone that we can't recover data from get angry that we don't use SIM cards. On the other hand, I see phones that are completely fine, like yours, but the SIM is cooked. ALWAYS HAVE A BACKUP, DO NOT DEPEND ON THE DATA IN YOUR PHONE. Sync your PDA, or have your carrier print your contact list from time to time.
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    Since the sign was there you might as well try spitting into a nearby lake to raise the water level--you are not going to change anybody's mind and you are just wasting your time. Next time you go into the store you tell them that you are not coming back since they do not respect your responsible, legal and constitutional right to bear arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Since the sign was there you might as well try spitting into a nearby lake to raise the water level--you are not going to change anybody's mind and you are just wasting your time. Next time you go into the store you tell them that you are not coming back since they do not respect your responsible, legal and constitutional right to bear arms.

    I was actually hoping to start a dialogue instead of spouting a disertation about 2A rights...

    Historically, I think that lecturing folks really does not foster an atmosphere to educate, only one where they shut down even more.

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    Kelcarry, there is always a chance that the sign will be removed. Look at walmart for instance. They had gunbuster signs at one point, but it is a CORPORATE policy to comply with all state and local laws, so they had to remove the signs. If you can change ONE mind, its one more on our side. IMHO its better to TRY and get told no then NEVER try and lose the chance to possibly convert ones opinion on legal carry of a firearm.
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    My question is on this matter is, was this an authorized agent or an actual ATT Corporate store?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goab View Post
    My question is on this matter is, was this an authorized agent or an actual ATT Corporate store?
    ATT Corporate Store (in a strip mall type set-up).
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    I know this doesn't help because you use AT&T but Verizon has a free app that can be downloaded to their phones that will store your contacts on their network... so if your sim fries or phone dies, you won't lose your contacts.

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    I usually use Verizon, but have been in a few AT&T stores, I can't say as I have seen a sign at any of them.
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    Below is a DC link to a good letter from a DC member sent to Taco Cabana with positive results that could be easily edited for your needs.

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...hl-effort.html
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    sucks about your phone and the signs. i haven't seen any @ the ATT stores here but as far as i know i go to the actual corporate stores or whatever they are called not 3rd party ones....thanks for the reminder to back up my blackberry again its been a while

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