How do you get out at all?
This is a discussion on How do you get out at all? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by resqr9142
Steve, until last November the only handgun I owned was a Ruger MkII. Amazing what happens when a few well-placed words ...
December 2nd, 2009 02:11 AM
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December 2nd, 2009 02:44 AM
Originally Posted by JimmyC4
Picking through the ideas on this site is enjoyable. I hope we don't limit the type and scope of thought provoking ideas presented by ridiculing the presenters. I certainly don't adopt many, but the process of being exposed to the ideas of others stretches my mind. Lord knows it needs stretching.
December 2nd, 2009 03:18 AM
That sounds almost like my BIO, except I am 66 years old.
Originally Posted by PaxMentis
My life experiences have taught me that if someone REALLY wants you, they can get you. I just don't make it easy for them.
FWIW a 500 yard shot with a rifle is not that hard to make.
December 2nd, 2009 05:38 AM
Yep...I try to protect against what I can and don't sweat the stuff I can't do anything about.
Originally Posted by Beans
Besides...no matter how well trained, how well armed and how prepared you are, it frequently comes down to luck...and so far I've been lucky enough to live every day of my life.
December 2nd, 2009 07:38 AM
I'm sure many of you have been on other forums but these CC forums are much much better than the other gun forums. I have replied on other forums where posters talk about having 85,000 rounds of ammo and show pix of a dozen or more rifles etc of every imaginable type. I have asked them where in the world do they live--sure sounds like it is in downtown Bagdhad. These CC forums seem to attract a more responsible group who understand what it is they are doing and what an awesome responsibility someone has given them to literally be walking around with life and death a second away on their person. I do agree, however, that some of these posts sound quite disturbing--personally I think many of these posts are from people who have the courage at their computer and are not quite what they say they are. Hey--to each his own. I am 68 years old and grew up in NYC and NJ and have walked many streets etc and NEVER have felt the need for a CCW--I truly believe that common sense and awareness are at least 99% of your safety mode. I have a CCWP more because it gave me a reason to take a class on my gun usage; I do carry sometimes but still feel that my cell phone, my common sense and my awareness are more important--I cannot, however, argue with the "what ifs". In my house I am loaded for bear--someone comes in and endangers my wife or myself, they are not going to be leaving in a pleasant state of mind. To all--be safe, have a wonderful holdiday and hope that all we ever do is talk the talk and never have to walk the walk.
December 2nd, 2009 08:06 AM
All things in moderation! I would say that applies to self-protection as well.
December 2nd, 2009 09:02 AM
actually you do not seem paranoid to me...i keep water and food stocked and have a generator in the garage with a stock of fuel...i live in a hurricane area and know in a heartbeat my modern world can go primitive...i lock my doors and am aware of my surroundings also...
Originally Posted by PaxMentis
but...i walk head high and acknowledge everyone i see with usually a smile and a greeting of some sort...unusual people dont raise the hair on my neck...they arrouse my curiostiy more than anything else...and i'm the first to engage them in conversation even though i am not a real outgoing person...
isolating oneself from reality makes one more of a target than throwing oneself into it...the insight i read here in many instances is not foresight but false protectionism...almost as though some people believe that isolating themselves from any potential threat or potential theatening person is safety...it may be the opposite...the person you suspect as a threat may be the one who will be the biggest help in a crisis situation...if you get to know them...
i dont want to be "the old guy" down the street that the kids are afraid of and the neighbors stay away from...i want to be the one who knows everybody and shares a mutual interest in being there for them just as they would be there for me...building a caccoon around yourself and living in some kind of isolation may turn you into the "he was kind of quiet and kept to himself...i guess i never would have expected him to fire 45 rounds of into a prowler" guy down the street as opposed to the "he is a great guy and would do anything for you...i'm glad he was able to protect himself" neighbor...
a few years ago on a business trip to another state i drove with several other managers and employees...we were passing through a less than wealthy section of a city during the middle of the day and drove right through a block party...i'm talking big grills with brabecued chicken...salads...gospel music and dancing in the streets...families all over the place and lots of smiles...i suggested we stop and get a bite to eat with some real people and enjoy the culture and surroundings...2 other managers almost climbed over the seats begging me not to stop as they were in fear of their lives and werent carrying there sidearms...i gotta tell ya...it looked like a barrel of fun to me and sorry to stereotype but inner city people know how to party...we missed a good time that day and i still think about it...
in 2003 i suffered a cerebral hemorage....not a drop down dead stroke...a very small bleed that produced seizures that were unpredictable and left me incapacitated for short periods of time (30 seconds or so)...anyone know what its like to have a seizure in public and watch people take a wide path around you in fear?(i was the wierd guy at walmart)..standing in a public place grasping onto a railing to hold yourself up shaking uncontrollably while peole walk by looking the other way?...it sucks and gives you a real feel for the ugly side of human nature...people who are so afraid to engage with someone else out of fear that they would allow them to die in front of them rather than just ask if they need a hand with something or if theres anything they can do for them..
wondering why the world feels like such a dangerous place?... because thats the way we picture it and by that we define it...i'm not denying reality...i'm choosing to accept it and enjoy myself anyway...with a little preparation just in case...
theres nothing wrong with being safe...i wear my seatbelt and continue to wear a helmet in a helmet free state since one saved my life (as luck would have it the first time i chose to wear a helmet in the helmet free state i was involved in an accident where it came in handy)...i lock my doors but answer them enthusiastically at times...i dont mind sales phone calls...i just hang up if i'm not interested or i might carry on a conversation with them for 5 minutes before i hang up...you can always learn something from people regardless of what they do...
so thats the nature of my original post...its one thing to be safe...its another to isolate yourself from what is real and justify it by telling people you are more aware of reality....when it comes it comes and there may be nothing you can do to stop it...at least try to enjoy it up till that time...
December 2nd, 2009 09:03 AM
I play it by ear and live by experiences I've either seen, heard of, or lived in some instances. My level of preparedness has never caused me any embarrassments and so far I have never been made, except for the dude in the Tree that day, and I'm not counting him.
I'm perfectly fine with coming in second place while in a race, getting to the remote control and even the line at the family dinner, but in matters of life or death. I gotta be first and thats just the survivor in me and where it came from I have no idea, but it's there.
It's a fact; There's always someone out there that wants to take from people what they haven't earned. Our job is to either defeat um when they cross our paths or stay outa there's, and I hate to yield to the oppressors. FWIW
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." — Thomas Jefferson
December 2nd, 2009 09:40 AM
Listen, just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not after me! :)
Nah, like a lot of people on here I put the CCW on and then enjoy life. Never met a stranger, I'm a hugger and a people person. I would rather be out among folks than holed up at home. I just prefer to be out there armed!
Hey Lima, good to see you. Haven't heard you on the boards in awhile!
December 2nd, 2009 09:49 AM
You did forget one important item - the aluminum foil-lined helmet to keep out subliminal messaging/thought police black helicopter probes!
And the prosthetic beard and facial scars to throw off the facial recognition camera apparatus and satellites looking down on us......
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined". - Patrick Henry
December 2nd, 2009 09:59 AM
A pretty simple recipe for understanding. Plus, going around without the eyes shut so tightly helps appreciate that things often aren't what we assume them to be. Good reminder.
Originally Posted by gunthorp
December 2nd, 2009 10:08 AM
There are certain mostly "basic common sense" things that just become quite natural and ingrained and they are not at all intrusive on the enjoyment of life.
While there is no need to be or feel paranoid, a person also does not need need to walk around in total Condition White and completely unaware of their immediate environment.
The opposite extreme would be folks that carry firearm just to be armed and it is really nothing more just a "feel good" form of security blanket.
Because if you can not get to it...and get it out...and onto a deadly threat in 1.5 seconds (or better) then you should probably just leave it at home and save it for casual paper target punching and fun days at the range.
As far as practicing with your firearm and honing your draw and presentation skills - you should be doing that often.
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December 2nd, 2009 10:15 AM
Hey Lima, It was good to see you on here again. I think you are wise beyond your years.
Back to topic- I think the OP is right on the mark for alot of folks that I see on these boards. "I've got my new widget wacker 5000 with 14 lights and lazers and my rear view glasses with the auto deathray. My bunker is filled with penicillan and supplies and I got the door fitted with a cool submarine hatch. " That said, I also think that the amount of pomp and circumstace that reasonable people go thru is historically or enviromentally driven. I, for example, use store front windows to constantly check the the other side of the street. I also "tune in to" the flow of vehicle and pedestrian traffic and look for deviations from the patterns. I don't think about it, it's just always in the back of my mind. That would be historically driven because I, at one point in my life had to do those things. I later lived in Detroit and you learn to have a swivel neck in certain entertainment areas. Now that I live in Northern Michigan some of those things carry over because they are ingrained even though situationaly I could stand those practices down. By the way, my wife thinks I look sexy in my tin foil hat.
December 2nd, 2009 10:24 AM
IMO, no tool is useless merely because it cannot be brought into play for the least likely percentage of situations.
Originally Posted by QKShooter
It's still a potentially valuable tool, particularly when many encounters don't allow for an immediate draw anyway, instead forcing us to withstand the initial attack and pick the moment at some point down the line during the engagement. Having left the tool at home for playing and plinking would relegate all of these folks to the coffin because they couldn't approach an artificial and arbitrary 1.5sec dividing line between "competence and uselessness."
Being a gimp in pain makes and with limited range of motion makes it difficult to be Captain American in speed of response. I'm willing to bet that in many (perhaps most) situations, a violent attacker is going to adjust the attack to the perceived threat of failure. Against an aging gimp in pain, very likely subterfuge and patience is going to play into the hands of the defender. Won't always, no. But then, "1.5 seconds" isn't an "always" sort of thing, either.
I, too, would love to have a magic cloak of invincibility around me to guard against all attack, of the one-second variety as well as others. Ain't gonna happen in this lifetime. So, you use what you've got and train the best you can to leverage other aspects of the fight to advantage.
December 2nd, 2009 10:31 AM
Originally Posted by SIXTO
Originally Posted by HotGuns
I think all of the above quotes hit the nail on the head. No need to really add much more to it.
Originally Posted by limatunes
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