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    Legal Defense "Retainer"

    At the gun show last weekend, I came upon this company (http://www.texaslawshield.com). The guys seem friendly and the program seems like it would be good. What do you guys think? Is it a waste of money or money well spent?

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    Intresting, I would like to hear what others have to say as well.

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    It's only for Texas residents. I am trying to be cynical (critical?) and look at it that way, but I can't find much to dislike with it.

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    Kinda tacky website graphics, but sounds good.
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    Im kinda of curious with them being based out of Houston can they be available to help the people they just signed up in Fort Worth?

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    It kinda sounds like an insurance policy...I wonder if the $10.95 per month is the only true cost if you need their services? If it is, it doesn't sound too bad...
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    That would be my very first question for them.

    "If I have to call you at O-dark 30 to come to my house to talk to the police, how big is the bill from your company, or that lawyer in particular, that I am going to see in the mailbox in the following weeks for that one conference?"
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    sounds like Prepaid Legal service:

    Pre-Paid Legal Services, Inc.

    Having a lawyer on retainer is a fairly expensive deal. You better have a real good relationship with him/her to. (read that; I spend a boat load of money with him/her) not many lawyers are going to get out of bed at 3am to bail your butt out of jail unless your worth a lot of money to them and they all ready know you

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    The first two words that sprang into my mind were "Caveat Emptor".
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    Put a $20 into an envelope sitting in your gunsafe every month and every time you buy a new gun.

    Put the change in your pockets into a jar every time you buy a box of ammo.

    Every year, buy a 5 year maturity savings bond with the money.

    If you live a semi normal life in that you don't go looking for trouble, the day you need a lawyer you will be able to drop a wad of bonds or a brick of cash on his desk and he will go do for you like a tiger.

    And yes, I am a lawyer.

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    I have been doing something similar to that for years; actually that site is a little expensive, I basically pay my attorney 50$ per year, for that I get a laminated business card with his personal cell phone number on it. It resides in my wallet right behind the CHL. Believe me, having that card in your wallet to hand to an LEO after you have had something bad happen is well worth the money you paid for it.

    My advice is if you want to do something like that, seek out a good criminal defense attorney and meet with this attorney and state your intentions. They will listen and give you advice based on the area you live in and your circumstances. Make sure whichever attorney you select is board-certified and has experience in criminal defense and trial law. You don't want a tax attorney or a divorce lawyer defending you from a murder/manslaughter/homicide charge.....
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    I don't know if PrePaid Legal would cover you in a criminal trial such as a self-defense shooting.
    The NRA has a policy specifically for this. I believe the cost is $165 a year.
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    Save the money

    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellCT View Post
    Put a $20 into an envelope sitting in your gunsafe every month and every time you buy a new gun.

    Put the change in your pockets into a jar every time you buy a box of ammo.

    Every year, buy a 5 year maturity savings bond with the money.

    If you live a semi normal life in that you don't go looking for trouble, the day you need a lawyer you will be able to drop a wad of bonds or a brick of cash on his desk and he will go do for you like a tiger.

    And yes, I am a lawyer.

    Save your Bling. Keep it in YOUR pocket working for YOU till you need it.
    Here here for MitchCT.

    I've no experience with criminal attorneys but bunches (unfortunately) with some civil stuff and personal financial matters.

    A retainer is simply a contract that makes sure the lawyer gets paid for work done. E.g., You go in and talk to your lawyer and he says something like I bill 300 dollars an hour. Before I get started, I need a 3 K retainer to draw on. You get billed in 50 dollar increments for each 10 minutes. A phone call lasting 1 minute is billed as 10 minutes. That's the deal client, take it or not, and put up 3K and I'll roll up my sleeves. Then somewhere in the contract he gives himself the various rights to collect if you don't pay up. If you get in arrears, he fires his client.

    Mitch correctly states that you can easily save up enough for a "retainer" if you ever need one; and if you don't, then you have extra money when you are retired.

    And remember, the retainer is not pre-paid insurance or an agreement to give unlimited free legal advice. It is "a deposit," "a down-payment." It is money against which the lawyer draws his 300 bucks or so an hour.

    The sky is the limit on defense costs. Most of us probably can't afford it without losing our house, car, kids, wife, and every dime we will earn the rest of our lives. And the prosecutor always has the unlimited resources of the state to back his case.

    So, be extra careful to stay out of trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellCT View Post
    If you live a semi normal life in that you don't go looking for trouble, the day you need a lawyer you will be able to drop a wad of bonds or a brick of cash on his desk and he will go do for you like a tiger.

    And yes, I am a lawyer.

    Save your Bling. Keep it in YOUR pocket working for YOU till you need it.
    What should we do? Get the card of a lawyer we trust & keep it handy, paying him once we actually need the services?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McPatrickClan View Post
    What should we do? Get the card of a lawyer we trust & keep it handy, paying him once we actually need the services?
    Mitch gave us great advice.

    Dude, lawyers come and go. Say you pay a guy a retainer, keep his card in your wallet, etc. and when you actually blast some attacker, you find out he's left his practice and is now teaching yoga in Santa Monica?

    How often do you plan on shooting someone? That will drive your decision.

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