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This is a discussion on Colorado State University considering ban on CC within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; The poll is gone, must have been overwhelmed and did not get the results they wanted. Easily 95% of the posted comments are for keeping ...

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    The poll is gone, must have been overwhelmed and did not get the results they wanted.

    Easily 95% of the posted comments are for keeping CC on campus, as well as the student council voting to keep it as it is.

    Must suck to be in Admin right now.
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    He added that perpetrators in school shootings seemed bent on killing themselves and others.

    "I don't think they'd be deterred by threats of anyone having a gun," Eykholt said.


    And creating a gun-free zone has worked so well. When will these idiots realize its about a right to self-defense and not just deterring a would be mass murderer!

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    Currently the poll is:

    715 Yes
    427 No
    8 No Opinion
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    Still can't find this poll. My Googlefu is weak today. Will someone post a direct link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaserRonin View Post
    I got my BS from CSU. Thanks for the heads up.
    Looks like you didnt get the last of the BS they had, it's still being spred... O heck, your talking about the good kind of BS...

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    Poll stats

    Yes 1270 Votes 1270 Votes
    No 929 Votes 929 Votes
    No opinion 25 Votes 25 Votes
    2224 Total Votes

    Here is the link: 9NEWS.com | Colorado's Online News Leader | Breaking News, Local News, World News and more...
    Its about halfway down the page on the right, and seems to be loading slowly
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    Yes 2591 Votes
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    I have a hard time believing it is this close. Especially when the vast majority of the comments are pro gun.
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    currently 2637 for.
    2039 against.
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    Much I read about our current society is that nobody wants the chance of taking responsibility. For example, suppose a campus shooting occurs, a loony kills say 3 students and another student shoots him, stopping the rampage and in the process harms one bystander. There is a segment of society that will decry the shooting and say that a bystander was hurt. Some will blame the University for the shooting since guns were allowed on campus. For a cautious administration its just easier to say "no guns allowed" and then when the loony kills 30 people instead of three they can say " Its not our fault, we have a no gun policy".

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    Let me see if I understand

    Shootings have recently occured at schools where concealed carry with permit is denied.


    So... in reaction, here at a school where Concealed Carry is allowed and no shooting have occurred we better change something.

    Got it... sounds like we have more people getting their "BS" at CSU now than ever before!

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    Just got this email from RMGO

    CSU to ban self defense, Denver CCW Class Dec. 14th and Ft. Collins Jan. 11

    Colorado State has been rattling it's empty saber scabbard for years about a "No Firearms Policy", but this week the (bad) idea reached a fevered pitch.
    After the CSU Faculty Council (read: Liberal, freedom-hating professors) recommended to CSU President Tony Frank to ban firearms on campus, the student government quickly stood on the side of freedom and asked Frank to leave the policy as it is (i.e. permit holders, including students, can carry).

    Then, Larimer County Sheriff Jim Alderden, himself first elected as sheriff solely due to the concealed carry issue (the previous RINO sheriff had refused to issue permits), publicly told CSU that his office (which controls the only jail in the county) would not enforce any ban on permit holders, wouldn't participate in detaining any valid permit holders, and his jail would not hold them. He also added that he didn't think CSU had the legal authority to enforce a ban that is contrary to state law.

    And, despite a barrage of letters and calls from State Legislators, citizens and CSU Alumni, the CSU Board of Governors today recommended to President Frank (who makes the final decision) to ban all firearms on campus.

    Understand that there are a few different issues here:

    1. Banning faculty and students, via employment contracts and student code of conduct contracts, is an end-run around the state policy, and may or may not be legal.

    2. Banning all firearms on campus, even with a permit, is a much longer step. And clearly, this is not legal, as Colorado law doesn't allow that, and even a liberal judge (the Meyers decision in 2004) ruled that Denver couldn't make it's own concealed carry rules, despite being a "home rule" city. How, then, could a taxpayer-funded public university?

    Colorado University's Board of Regents voted many years ago to make their campuses "gun free", but CU's Regents are constitutionally created, and elected. CSU has nothing of the sort. So unelected bureaucrats are making policy in direct and flagrant opposition to Colorado law.

    Did the Colorado legislature, in 2003's SB24, intend to have permit holders walk on campus armed?

    As the only professional pro-gun lobbyist to endure the 9-year battle for "Shall Issue" concealed carry in Colorado, RMGO Executive Director Dudley Brown made it clear that this issue was addressed, routinely.

    "This issue was addressed routinely, and though the NRA tried many times to include campus-carry bans, the legislature rejected it," said Brown, a gun lobbyist for the last 16 years. "The final bill, passed in 2003, explicitly allowed permit holders to carry on campus, but apparently some bureaucrats believe their students should be defenseless."

    "Virginia Tech, Columbine High School, and every gun free zone sends one message: it's a Criminal Safezone, where citizens are defenseless," Brown said. "We'll fight this ban in court, as it is clear that liberal academia isn't going to stand for freedom."



    RMGO pushed CSU to recognize the right to carry in 2001, and has been on the leading edge of the issue ever since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhunterjr View Post
    Much I read about our current society is that nobody wants the chance of taking responsibility. For example, suppose a campus shooting occurs, a loony kills say 3 students and another student shoots him, stopping the rampage and in the process harms one bystander. There is a segment of society that will decry the shooting and say that a bystander was hurt. Some will blame the University for the shooting since guns were allowed on campus. For a cautious administration its just easier to say "no guns allowed" and then when the loony kills 30 people instead of three they can say " Its not our fault, we have a no gun policy".
    This pretty much sums it up for all schools, employers, or many stores. If they have a mass shooting and get 20 employee killed another 30 wounded that is cheaper than one errand round from a CCWer. They would be sued for millions if they allowed CCW and someone gets "scared". The decision makers only look at bottom line and they have a legal dept full of lawyers saying they better have a zero tollerence policy on weapons.

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    Idiots. I really do wish someone just once would use the words "Illegally Possessed or Carried Firearms"

    9NEWS.com | Colorado's Online News Leader | Colorado State University bans guns

    DENVER (AP) - Colorado State University will join most major colleges nationwide in forbidding concealed weapons on campus after a vote that pitted faculty asking for a ban against students demanding the right to carry guns.
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    The university's Board of Governors voted 7-0 Friday to require gun bans on its campuses in Fort Collins and Pueblo.

    Guns are already off-limits at K-12 schools in Colorado, the University of Colorado and at virtually all campuses nationwide. But Colorado State University has followed state law that allows people to carry guns, even concealed weapons with the right permit.

    Both concealed and unconcealed weapons will now be banned.

    Officials said the gun ban will leave Utah campuses as the only ones where concealed weapons are allowed. Utah has a law allowing concealed weapons on state property, and a court has ruled there is no exception for colleges.

    Colorado State board members acted Friday after a faculty group at the Fort Collins campus asked for a ban.

    "Overwhelmingly the faculty feel our campus will be a safer place" with a concealed weapons ban, said Dan Turk, associate professor of computer information systems.

    Many students opposed the ban, and the student government at the Fort Collins campus urged the board not to ban guns.

    Senior Brady Allen, who lawfully carries a weapon on campus, told the board that fear of an accidental discharge from a concealed weapon was a silly reason to ban guns.

    "You might as well ban everything that has a potential risk - cars, alcohol and sports," said Allen, a 25-year-old history student and a former Marine.

    Almost all college campuses nationwide ban concealed weapons. But gun-rights advocates say the bans make students vulnerable to attack. The question took on greater prominence after a gunman at Virginia Tech killed 32 people and wounded 23 before killing himself in 2007.

    Since the Virginia Tech massacre, proposals to repeal campus gun bans have been considered in many states, although none has been repealed.

    Currently, 26 states ban concealed weapons on any school property. Twenty-three states, including Colorado, allow individual campuses to decide for themselves, though CSU officials say they don't know of any other major schools that allow concealed firearms.

    In Colorado, it's unclear how many students at either campus are permitted to carry concealed weapons. The campuses don't keep records.

    Spokespeople for both schools have said they suspect that few carry guns. Many students aren't even eligible, because Colorado requires permit holders to be 21.

    Colorado State's unusual gun policy stems from a 2003 Colorado law that made concealed weapons legislation statewide, not variable by county. After that, the University of Colorado in Boulder banned concealed weapons.

    Gun rights activists sued, arguing CU couldn't change state law on campus.

    When a judge sided with CU in April, upholding the gun ban, the faculty at Colorado State's Fort Collins campus proposed a ban there, too.

    Now it's up both Colorado State presidents to write and enact gun bans on their campuses. The board's vote instructs the presidents to submit a weapons plan by February.
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