Pepper spray vs bear spray
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It's time to replace my spray ...
December 3rd, 2009 03:05 PM
Pepper spray vs bear spray
I always carry pepper spray with me. This gives me a couple of options before deadly force is needed.
It's time to replace my spray and I got to thinking.. what about bear spray?
Also, I see Kimber has come out with s really nice pepper spray.
Any opinions on the above?
December 3rd, 2009 03:08 PM
I have thought about this also.. my only concern would be if you did spray some one and there lawyer found out and sewed you for not using something "Safe" on humans? or even back to the guy who used "police strength" and not being a LEO.
I would also like to hear what everyone thinks.
December 3rd, 2009 03:12 PM
I'm also concerned W/ thre not safe for humans angle. Plus most bearsprays I've seen shoot out a cloud like a fogger instead of a stream, great if you want to stop a bear but for a human not so much.
And finally 4.oz Foxlabs 26.95$ at L&S in Co Springs 4.oz UDAP bearspray 56.00$ at REI
December 3rd, 2009 03:16 PM
The Forest Service has issued a BEAR WARNING for those frequenting national forests. They urge everyone to protect themselves by wearing bells and carrying pepper spray.
Anyone outdoors should be alert for signs of fresh bear activity and should be able to tell the difference between black bear dung and grizzly bear dung:
Black bear dung is rather small and round and may contain remnants of vegetation or fruit seeds, etc.
Grizzly bear dung has little pieces of bells in it, and smells like pepper spray!
(I'll take my chances with a loaded firearm)
December 3rd, 2009 03:21 PM
I would check your state and local laws. Some jurisdictions have limits on the concentration strength of the OC formula. Bear spray has a higher strength then pepper spray used for self defense. You just may get sued in civil court for excessive force if you use Bear pepper spray instead of one designed for self defense against other humans.
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December 3rd, 2009 03:24 PM
I too have seen some state laws that are fairly specific about what an approved pepper spray is. Things like 4 ounce max, maximum concentration 5%?, and needs a safety mechanism. Having a "Law Enforcement Only" or "Bear Spray" marked can could cause some trouble if you sprayed someone. It could open one up to additional civil lawsuits as well.
I know this is lame, but you have to follow your state/local laws. Knife laws are like this too. They vary from place to place and sometimes make no sense.
I would stick to sprays designed and marked for self defense.
PS You can use your old one for some good ol' fashion practice!
"a reminder that no law can replace personal responsibility" - Bill Clinton 2010.
December 3rd, 2009 03:40 PM
Section 13-3101.7 excludes from the definition of "prohibited weapon" "**any propellant (or) propellant actuated devices ** which are manufactured, imported or distributed for their intended purposes **". There is nothing that appears to regulate or prohibit the lawful use of self-defense sprays of any kind.
December 3rd, 2009 03:51 PM
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December 3rd, 2009 03:56 PM
I'd be careful about declaring bear spray legal.
Originally Posted by mikiec
What you quoted says, "for their intended purposes." The intended purpose of bear spray is to be used on bears, not humans. I think you could find yourself in a world of trouble with that clause.
Besides, I used to sell bear spray. Most of them don't come in a nice little discreet package. They are pretty big canisters. Nothing I would want to try to tote around along with everything else.
If you want more spray they do have larger canisters of human spray. I sold one the size of a fire extinguisher to a bouncer who had to use six small cans to break up a group fight. But we were sure to make sure it was for humans.
Lawyers can be picky about that kind of stuff.
My question would be, why do you feel you need to have that much/kind of spray?
Personally, I carry the Kimber LifeAct. I haven't had to use it but I've watched some videos of different sprays and I like the fact that it is a gel that is "fired" rather than just a spray under pressure. I'm comfortable with it.
The only drawback is that it only has two shots, but it's sleek and small and fits wherever I need it to.
December 3rd, 2009 05:08 PM
Some of the best bear spray like Guard Alaska contains a grease and oil cutting solvent.
That is so that it is more effective on bears since their facial skin surface is oily & greasy.
Guard Alaska does not wash off very easily and the usual Police Type OC neutralizers do not work super great to remove it.
On the plus side Guard Alaska does not react with the cannister that houses it and so has no expiration date.
As per the above post by limatunes - What are the possible legal ramifications of using Bear Spray on human vermin?
I have absolutely no idea so...pays yer money and takes yer chances or opt for standard can of OC or the Kimber.
December 3rd, 2009 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by xoolo
A bullet in the face isn't safe for humans either, would you rather get sprayed in the face with bear spray or bullets? I don't think that angle would stick in court, they should be thankful there not dead. I would spray the **** out of someone with bear spray if I had it and I wouldn't think twice about getting sued because my angle would be "well I could of just shot you"
Vermont does not issue Permit/Licenses to Carry a Concealed firearm. Vermont allows anyone
who can legally own a firearm to carry it concealed without a permit of any kind.
December 3rd, 2009 05:52 PM
unless the now "good guy wearing a suit and tie" that is now blind or something. I think the lawyer would have a hay day with that.. I could be wrong...
Originally Posted by Adkjoe
I really don't want to use this but it could be the same as : a dead man tell no tales" I think it would be like if you shot some one in the knee... yes you stopped the threat but now he is going to take any angle they can to get you...
this day and age people are way to sue happy my .02
December 3rd, 2009 06:17 PM
Originally Posted by Adkjoe
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December 3rd, 2009 06:22 PM
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