Best and worst of state laws

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    I'm pretty satisfied with Colorado gun laws. If I could change anything I would have the CCWP be sufficient for gun purchases without the expense and time required for the redundant background check.

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    If we could get the Castle Doctrine out of committee it would be good. And reinstate the "stand your ground" clause in it.

    Can't CC in banks, restaurants with alcohol, anywhere admission is charged, funeral processions?, parades, picking up or dropping off the kids at school. Start by changing those.

    And someone needs to sue Cary to get OC on public property back.

    What do I like, OC on person and in a car without a permit. But you still need a pistol purchase permit to get a handgun so even that's not perfect.

    I used to think the laws were pretty good. After reading about other states, I have changed my mind.

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    There are quite a few things I dislike about Nebraska's gun laws.

    I absolutely hate that we have no statewide firearm pre-emption, except for concealed hanguns that stay concealed, for permit holders. The cities are still walking all over the permit holders anyway, ignoring the pre-emption (Omaha's gun registration, for instance).
    The runners up would have to be no ccw signage standards (class 3, and if you still have a permit, class 1 misdemeanor for failing to see a sign) and no castle law. You have to retreat out of your freaking house here. Total BS.

    My ideal changes would be complete firearm pre-emption, signage standards, and of course, not having to retreat from your home anymore.

    As for what Nebraska does right...well we can open carry here, technically.... and we can carry in restaurants the serve alcohol.

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    Wow, where does one start? I lived in California for 50 Years. Hated all their gun laws. Moved to Texas, loved their gun laws. If I had any wish, it would be everyone adopt Vermont laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    We pretty much have it made with gun laws here in FL. The 'being unarmed in the bar part of a restaurant' but being able to have a beer a few seats away while armed...what's that? Someone was smokin' sommin' when they designed that law, but I'll take it anyway...I don't do bars. We can carry just about everywhere, banks, and churches, etc.
    No signs, or they mean nothing is great.
    I don't care about OC, so the CC laws are fine with me. An accidental flash of the firearm because of the wind is not going to get me arrested.

    I also like the Castle Doctrine....but...
    I wouldn't change anything except for the ability to protect property, as the Texans are allowed to do.

    Gotta' love the GunShine State...
    I thought you were allowed to stop a forcible felony? Wouldn't robbery fall into that category?

    Only thing I can think of is making it legal to carry on college campuses.
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    My problem is that every one else doesn't have the same laws!!!!!!
    No permit needed for CCW, OC legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRTCP88 View Post
    I thought you were allowed to stop a forcible felony? Wouldn't robbery fall into that category?

    Only thing I can think of is making it legal to carry on college campuses.
    Someone taking stuff, although in TX they can be shot, is not a reason to use deadly force in FL...without fearing for your life, you'd have some splainin' to do.
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    I'm in CA. Before I start, is there a limit on the length of a post in these threads? Just checking before I might crash the forums...
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    I also like the Castle Doctrine....but...
    I wouldn't change anything except for the ability to protect property, as the Texans are allowed to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan45cal View Post
    There are quite a few things I dislike about Nebraska's gun laws.

    I absolutely hate that we have no statewide firearm pre-emption, except for concealed hanguns that stay concealed, for permit holders. The cities are still walking all over the permit holders anyway, ignoring the pre-emption (Omaha's gun registration, for instance).
    The runners up would have to be no ccw signage standards (class 3, and if you still have a permit, class 1 misdemeanor for failing to see a sign) and no castle law. You have to retreat out of your freaking house here. Total BS.

    My ideal changes would be complete firearm pre-emption, signage standards, and of course, not having to retreat from your home anymore.

    As for what Nebraska does right...well we can open carry here, technically.... and we can carry in restaurants the serve alcohol.
    You don't have to retreat from your home in Nebraska. (Retreat is required before using deadly force,yes.... however your home and place of work are exempted from the retreat requirement). Your dwelling is your home.

    NE Statute:

    Section 28-1409
    Use of force in self-protection.
    (1) Subject to the provisions of this section and of section 28-1414, the use of force upon or toward another person is justifiable when the actor believes that such force is immediately necessary for the purpose of protecting himself against the use of unlawful force by such other person on the present occasion.
    (2) The use of such force is not justifiable under this section to resist an arrest which the actor knows is being made by a peace officer, although the arrest is unlawful.
    (3) The use of such force is not justifiable under this section to resist force used by the occupier or possessor of property or by another person on his behalf, where the actor knows that the person using
    the force is doing so under a claim of right to protect the property, except that this limitation shall not apply if:
    (a) The actor is a public officer acting in the performance of his duties or a person lawfully assisting him therein or a person making or assisting in a lawful arrest;
    (b) The actor has been unlawfully dispossessed of the property and is making a reentry or recapture justified by section 28-1411; or
    (c) The actor believes that such force is necessary to protect himself against death or serious bodily harm.
    (4) The use of deadly force shall not be justifiable under this section unless the actor believes that such force is necessary to protect himself against death, serious bodily harm, kidnapping or sexual
    intercourse compelled by force or threat, nor is it justifiable if:
    (a) The actor, with the purpose of causing death or serious bodily harm, provoked the use of force against himself in the same encounter; or
    (b) The actor knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety by retreating or by surrendering possession of a thing to a person asserting a claim of right thereto or by complying with a demand that he abstain from any action which he has no duty to take, except that:
    (i) The actor shall not be obliged to retreat from his dwelling or place of work, unless he was the initial aggressor or is assailed in his place of work by another person whose place of work the actor knows it to be; and

    (ii) A public officer justified in using force in the performance of his duties or a person justified in using force in his assistance or a person justified in using force in making an arrest or preventing an
    escape shall not be obliged to desist from efforts to perform such duty, effect such arrest or prevent such escape because of resistance or threatened resistance by or on behalf of the person against whom such action is directed.
    (5) Except as required by subsections (3) and (4) of this section, a person employing protective force may estimate the necessity thereof under the circumstances as he believes them to be when the
    force is used, without retreating, surrendering possession, doing any other act which he has no legal duty to do, or abstaining from any lawful action.
    (6) The justification afforded by this section extends to the use of confinement as protective force only if the actor takes all reasonable measures to terminate the confinement as soon as he knows that he
    safely can do so, unless the person confined has been arrested on a charge of crime.

    Source:
    Laws 1972, LB 895, 4
    R.R.S.1943, 28-836, (1975)


    This law has been this way since 1972!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Someone taking stuff, although in TX they can be shot, is not a reason to use deadly force in FL...without fearing for your life, you'd have some splainin' to do.
    So what is a forcible felony?

    EDIT: NM, I googled it.
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    Best FL gun law: Castle Doctrine and CWL privacy

    Wish we had: Unlicensed open (level II holster) carry, carry into sporting events (why not?) and political meetings -- politicians may listen better if they see a 1911 :)

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    Michigan law is mostly O.K. but I'd like to see either the elimination of any gun free zones or at least require that a gun free zone must have a metal detector/search for entry.

    Currently target rich zones in MI are: Schools, Hospitals, events larger than 2500people, <51% bars and casinos.

    In general, I'm a little torn on the whole should there even be a CPL thing. from my pragmatic side, I'm happy that there's a hurdle for folks who want to CC to go over - providing even a small obstacle like that will keep those not serious enough about it out.

    From my philosophical side, the registration and the restrictions sure do seem unconstitutional.

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    NO reciprocal agreements with states a b and c. YOUR STATE LTC covers ALL 50. OR just get rid of the LTC all together and adopt an alaska or vermont style carry law.

    NO waiting period for purchases, background check and leave with your firearm(s).

    Adopt castle doctrine in all 50 states.

    NO ammo or capacity restrictions.

    Simple and to the point I think.

    AS far as on the state level for PA - OPEN carry can NOT be a reason for an encounter like the MPOETC states and the 45 day period for an LTCF should be reduced to either a WEEK or IMMEDIATE ISSUE after the background check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    We pretty much have it made with gun laws here in FL. The 'being unarmed in the bar part of a restaurant' but being able to have a beer a few seats away while armed...what's that? Someone was smokin' sommin' when they designed that law, but I'll take it anyway...I don't do bars. We can carry just about everywhere, banks, and churches, etc.
    No signs, or they mean nothing is great.
    I don't care about OC, so the CC laws are fine with me. An accidental flash of the firearm because of the wind is not going to get me arrested.

    I also like the Castle Doctrine....but...
    I wouldn't change anything except for the ability to protect property, as the Texans are allowed to do.

    Gotta' love the GunShine State...
    Yes, love it but, would also like to open carry if desired. That being said, all gun laws are infringements and unconstitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonMan101 View Post
    Since your first question is two questions I'll separate them.
    Bingo (except CommonMan101's #3)

    1st Q: That restrictive handgun legislation exist.

    2nd Q: Abolish the current laws and adopt Alaska's free-carry w/ a permit being available for reciprocity and adopt Vermont's very limited situs for yes-but-not-here w/ the requirement that all situs locations must provide a lock-box security process so you can be armed right up to the point of "no carry here" and your gun will be securely protected until you want it back as you leave the restricted area.
    ....

    Quote Originally Posted by CommonMan101 View Post
    Tired of nit picking through laws intended to be oppressive to all people that aren't "the only ones" allowed to be armed.

    Most people seem to agree to restrictive gun laws that they themselves have already qualified for so they become someone who is willing to dis-arm others. They become... "the only ones" allowed to be armed. "People like me are OK... but not THOSE people".

    Whole lotta infringin' goin on these days...
    3rd Q: I like Virginia's:

    1) "If-you-can-posses-it, (under federal law)-you-can-OC-it" w/ no additional State restrictions on ownership, registration, etc.

    2) very workable must-issue CHP w/ a reasonable time limit to issue.

    3) good Statewide firearm preemption, albeit I wish reimbursement of legal cost were minatory
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