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    Overall, I don't think Michigan's laws are too bad. I can carry in 99% of the places I frequent on a daily basis.

    How I would change it?

    Get rid of ALL gun free zones, because I don't think I'm safe anywhere I go. That's not to say I'm worried all the time, but I subscribe to the philosophy of anyone, anywhere, anytime.
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    The main thing I hate is not having a national license - would save a lot of hassle when traveling.

    For my state of West Virginia I hated that I had to go through a $75.00 handgun course, I qualified with pistols in the Marine Corps and with the Department of State (who I currently work for in Iraq) have gone through Blackwater's (now known as Xe - yes them) High Threat Protection course and Combat Handgun Course but WV does not feel that those courses make me qualified to carry - go figure
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    I'm in PA

    I love PA gun laws, very, very, lax. We can freely OC or CC. No firearm training required. No wait on purchases, you can immediately purchase as many guns in a day you can afford. You can carry in state parks. We're allowed NFA Class 3 weapons. No round limits on mags for pistols and semi-rifles. You can get drunk at a bar while legally carrying a full auto Ozzi and a Glock fitted with a silencer and not break any gun laws. The only places we can't carry and is typical are post offices, schools, and courthouses. Go figure, PA I think has the highest number of game hunters in the country and our state government respects it, as Obama said last year, in hard times PA clinges to the Bible and guns!

    The only con is need a license (LTCF) to transport a gun. If PA abolishes that requirment we wouldn't be #10 on the Brady list and we'd have a gold star OC status. We also need a LTCF to CC but I can't complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlclarkii View Post
    I'm in PA

    I love PA gun laws, very, very, lax. We can freely OC or CC. No firearm training required. No wait on purchases, you can immediately purchase as many guns in a day you can afford. You can carry in state parks. We're allowed NFA Class 3 weapons. No round limits on mags for pistols and semi-rifles. You can get drunk at a bar while legally carrying a full auto Ozzi and a Glock fitted with a silencer and not break any gun laws. The only places we can't carry and is typical are post offices, schools, and courthouses. Go figure, PA I think has the highest number of game hunters in the country and our state government respects it, as Obama said last year, in hard times PA clinges to the Bible and guns!

    The only con is need a license (LTCF) to transport a gun. If PA abolishes that requirment we wouldn't be #10 on the Brady list and we'd have a gold star OC status. We also need a LTCF to CC but I can't complain.
    Gosh, I'm envious of PA! I'm a bit confused on the NFA comment, though... Who isn't allowed NFA Class 3 weapons besides felons? I thought the fed's only restrictions related to paying for a tax stamp and filling out forms?

    Also, what is an Ozzi? I know about Uzi but never heard of an Ozzi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonMan101 View Post
    Gosh, I'm envious of PA! I'm a bit confused on the NFA comment, though... Who isn't allowed NFA Class 3 weapons besides felons? I thought the fed's only restrictions related to paying for a tax stamp and filling out forms?

    Also, what is an Ozzi? I know about Uzi but never heard of an Ozzi.
    LOL, I meant Uzi To obtain a NFA Class 3 weapon you first need signed approval from the Sheriff. After the Sheriff signs approval you send $200 and the necessary forms to the BATF. Then after waiting 6 months for the stamp you can pick up your full auto or silencers from the FFL.

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    Michigans Criminal Safe zones

    There are eight places in Michigan you cannot carry concealed.
    Some make a little sense, the ones I wish they would repeal are sports stadiums, hospitals, churches, entertainment complexes that seat 2500 people, (does this count all seats in an 12 screen movie complex? no one knows), class rooms and dorm rooms of colleges. (interestingly it is legal to carry on campus provided you do not enter a classroom or dorm room.

    It would be nice to remove all of the restrictions, but if they feel they need to keep schools and casinos, and bars so be it.

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    What do you dislike the most about your own state's handgun legislation, and how you would change it, and;
    Illinois. No CCW. No preemption, so Chicagoland gets to to whatever the heck it feels like. Hopefully the Chicago gun case will steamroll that situation into oblivion.

    What do you think your state does right on that same topic?
    No approved gun list. No magazine size limitation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhinokrk View Post
    Utah is the best, no complaints... other than no Castle doctrine.
    I have no idea where you heard this, but.....you're wrong. Utah has Castle Doctrine. No duty to retreat.


    To the OP:

    I am happy with Utah's gun laws for the most part, we have:

    -OC without a permit....empty chamber
    -CC is shall issue
    -CC includes ALL weapons, and ANY firearm you can legally posses
    -Castle Doctrine
    -OC/CC in State buildings, City buildings, Police stations
    -OC/CC in schools
    -OC/CC in bars, restaurants that serve alcohol
    -No gun signs don't matter
    -State preemption
    -No waiting period for purchase
    -No purchase permit
    -No limit on purchases
    -No capacity limitations


    I don't like that Churches can register with the state to be "no-weapons areas". Only the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) has registered, but any can.

    I don't like that employers aren't forced to let employees CC. But at least they are forced to let them have it in their vehicle in the parking lot.

    That's all I can think of now, I'll probably edit later
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    Vermont is wonderful, no permit required to carry concealed and we have a castle doctrine. No wait for purchase etc... you only have to be 16 instead of 21 to buy a handgun as well (not that, that applies to me). Very friendly gun state. The only thing is there is absolutely nothing issued for concealed carry so it makes it a little more difficult to get a non-resident permit in other states but that's one of those good problems.
    Vermont does not issue Permit/Licenses to Carry a Concealed firearm. Vermont allows anyone
    who can legally own a firearm to carry it concealed without a permit of any kind.

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    I wish Alabama would adopt some sort of required training class as a prerequisite to obtaining a CCP. Many states don't allow reciprocity with Alabama because of this . I have looked into getting a Florida or Utah permit to allow me to legally carry in the maximum amount of states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpw View Post
    Our permits are called LTCFs.
    Sorry to nitpick, but our Licenses to Carry Firearms are called LTCFs. Our permits are called Sportsman's Firearm Permits. The two are not equivalent, which is why I think it's important to be clear with nomenclature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sliponby View Post
    I wish Alabama would adopt some sort of required training class as a prerequisite to obtaining a CCP. Many states don't allow reciprocity with Alabama because of this . I have looked into getting a Florida or Utah permit to allow me to legally carry in the maximum amount of states.
    Just for your info, Utah only requires a 4 hour "training" class for the CFP. It really only includes law and such training. There is no shooting required. You are required to show familiarity with a handgun, but at the class I went to, that was a joke.

    Utah is having problems because of the "training" also, we lost reciprocity with Nevada this year because of it. I think it will happen with more states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sigmanluke View Post
    I have no idea where you heard this, but.....you're wrong. Utah has Castle Doctrine. No duty to retreat.

    But at least they are forced to let them have it in their vehicle in the parking lot.
    We have no duty to retreat, true. But not true "Texas style" CD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhinokrk View Post
    We have no duty to retreat, true. But not true "Texas style" CD.
    Can you explain any differenes to me?
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    If someone in TX is stealing your truck, one could shoot the thief if he felt so inclined. I'm quite sure that in UT, you don't have to avoid a threat in your home but you cannot defend property.
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