This is a discussion on Some random, miscellaneous observations about various stuff within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by grady Just some random stuff: As I stood to leave, I felt something fall off my body, and I heard a heavy ...
As always Grady, excellent post. Thanks!
It's " speak softly and carry a big stick".
Great read, as usual. I too hate to say I heard that metallic clink before, but mine was the gun and not the mag (restroom trips are a must practice event).
"Don't hit a man if you can possibly avoid it; but if you do hit him, put him to sleep." - Theodore Roosevelt
Always enjoy reading what you have to say. Can't wait until you write again. When you write everybody reads!
Hey, Grady, I'm pretty sure I hear that Bersa calling your name!
You folks here at DC have proven my wife wrong (she says I have no friends ). So here's to you all:
I have met 3 dc members in person, and my life has been enriched by meeting each one of them. I'd love to meet more of you.
Fair warning, though: you might be disappointed. I've been described as anti-social, and I have a remarkable ability that if I speak more than a few sentences, I'll most assuredly say something totally inappropriate. On accident, usually. Too bad life itself doesn't have "backspace" and "edit". :(
If anyone is coming through St. Louis, give me a buzz beforehand and if I'm in town, we'll try to get together. I live and work near the junction of I-70 and I-270 on the Missouri side. Lots of gas stations and places to eat for those passing through.
Since my last post, 3 coworkers have attended a concealed carry class. Geds and I took 2 of them out for lunch yesterday (the 3rd was unavailable) in order to celebrate their process of stepping into new lives.
The female coworker was beaming. She's found a new freedom where she doesn't have to rely on others for her safety. She even brought her adult son to the class. At one point, her son was having trouble with his gun. She assisted him and got him going. The instructor (white LEO) noticed, and good-naturedly called her (African-American) a "gansta"! She laughed and took it all in fun. While we were at lunch yesterday, her son called her on the phone. He addressed her as "Mother Assassin".
The male coworker is realizing the seriousness of it all (as is she). He had some specific questions about legal issues.
Geds and I are proud of them both, that they are taking steps for their own protection. While we are glad to have played a part in helping and encouraging them along their way, we recognize all our efforts would have been useless had they not made the decisions to be responsible for their own safety. Add to that the fact that is was extremely cold during their class and outdoor shooting, yet they went anyway. I was concerned the guy might back out, but she was committed all the way. No one and no weather was going to stop her.
She even brought her target from the range. Thanks to Ged's patient instructions when she shot at his house, plus her committed attitude, she did well. According to the instructor, so did the other coworker.
It the not-to-distant future, I guess it will be no booths when we all go out for lunch: everyone will want a seat with where they are not hemmed in. :)
Now to address a few questions:
Granted, the odds of any of those examples happening is minor (or miniscule when considering a Mumbai-style attack), but I don't have time to list all the times similar things have happened around St. Louis (with the exception of Mumbai). Hardly a day goes by where I don't hear of someone being ambushed and killed around here.
Being heavily armed and searching for the best way to be armed for many different circumstances has given me the opportunity to try out various ways of being armed. I realize the adage of "beware the man who only has one gun, for he knows how to use it" has merit. I also realize always holstering a gun in the same place can lead to less confusion if one needs to draw.
However, finding one way to holster and using it exclusively does not provide me the most effective means of self-defense for each and every situation. Circumstances differ, and dictate how I arm myself. In order to minimize the chances of confusing myself, I will normally carry my primary in 1 of 2 places, and my backup in 1 of 2 places. That minimizes the chance of reaching and finding an empty holster. Also minimizing that possibility is the fact that when I carry, especially in an NPE environment, I am extremely aware of where my guns are on my body.
And on specific occassions, I will add a 3rd gun in a shoulder holster for ease of draw while in a car.
By living life large, and realizing an encounter with a criminal can occur at any time and any place, and does on a daily basis in St. Louis, I have the motivation to prepare extensively every day. Such preparations naturally result in more learning experiences (and mistakes) than if I only carried periodically or haphazardly.
My goal is to be fully ready and proficient should the day ever come where being heavily armed will not only be a good idea, but will be required. I'll have all my training issues, gun issues, and gear issues (hopefully) resolved. Then I'll be able to focus on whatever other tasks are at hand.
Thanks, teccles, for the answer. And hagfan, to expound on what teccles said, I personally use the term "NPE" to include several different locales, which may include:
The last definition reveals that just because one carries in an NPE, it may not be against the law. This broad definition is the one I purposely use.
- A country where no carry by civilians is allowed
- A state such as IL
- Federal facilities
- Private businesses which are posted. In some states, the signs at posted businesses carry no weight of law. In MO, the only weight of law is a misdemeanor IF one refuses to leave after being observed carrying.
If I had to tuck my shirt in, I would probably use the left holster (I'm right-handed and use a dual holster SmartCarry) for my XD, still positioned the same for my RH. This would place the small bump from the grip right in line with my zipper. Some pants naturally have a large bump there anyway, both when standing and sitting.
The ambi holster gives me options, but it doesn't work for everyone. If I couldn't use the ambi, I would probably order a LH holster and use it as described above so the grip bump would line up on my zipper.
One final note about the SC: I appreciate the security model, which includes a full-length additional pocket behind the holster(s) to carry additional stuff. I have stuffed guns there before when I needed a place to conceal additional guns for the short term, but I usually use it for my keys and phone when I'm lounging around in sweats or shorts that have no pockets, or for overnight storage near my bed in case of any nighttime visits by the criminal element. I place my cell phone on the nightstand, but stash it in the security pouch once I get up. In the winter with sweatpants I usually have pockets, but not so if it's summer and my sleeping attire has changed.
I ended up buying the 4" compact. Previously, I had a medium SC, so I was able to try my XD-45 compact in both the medium and large SC holsters.
While Charlie will recommend the medium for the 4", and it will work, the large holster will hold the .45 in just a little bit tighter to your body, thus slightly reducing printing issues. I find absolutely NO problems with drawing my .45 out of the large holster. For me, it's the large all the way.
On a side note, my Ruger SP-101 .357 fits in the large holster on the other side just fine also. If a SC holster is too deep, one can always put a safety pin at the bottom of the holster to shorten it (I never felt comfortable with that idea ) or perhaps stuff a rag in the bottom of the holster to hold the gun up. I found I don't need to do either with the SP-101. Again, the deep pocket holds the grip in tight, and drawing is not an issue with the large holster.
You can always turn a large SC holster into a medium, but you cannot turn a medium into a large.
So after wearing my SC for thousands and thousands of hours, in all types of locations including NPE's, my bias is the large holsters with the security option. Good luck on finding out what works best for you.
Maybe one of these days I can find the answer, but until then, it's CC. But you are right: many around here would absolutely panic if they saw a "regular citizen" openly carrying a gun... especially a rough-looking guy in tattered jeans with an EBK (evil black knife) hanging off his leg.
My apologies for not responding to every post. I'm still working 2 jobs to pay taxes to the in Washington, D.C., plus I'm still on a crash course to learn as much as I can about different carry rigs and weapons. I still believe those in Washington, D.C., will try some sort of gun or ammo restrictions at some point, simply because several of them have clearly stated those intentions.
And I'm still trying to harden my house, which costs $$$. Too bad I didn't start down this road decades ago. Then I could have done a little at a time, rather than trying to do it all on such short notice. It's a process, a lifelong process, but I had to get over some major hurdles early on due to my decades of living with blinders on.
I'm working the next 9 days in a row, and I'm not sure how much time I'll have to be online, so to all my dc friends and fellow combatants, Merry Christmas.
Stay safe and stay armed.
Wow Grady - great response! I want to thank you particularily for answering my questions about Smartcarry and XD Compacts - helps me alot!
A return MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and your's,
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