Only LE should carry guns

Only LE should carry guns

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    Only LE should carry guns

    I am so tired of hearing people say that only LE need to be armed. Even the LE community plays this up (no disrespect intended). They always say that they go into harms way and need to be armed.

    I agree with that, but I do not believe that they are the only one going to harms way each day. People doing going about their own everyday business are going into harms way. The LE (Wolf Hunters) are going into harms way hunting the wolves only after the wolves have attacked or eaten defenseless sheep.

    What everyone (average citizens, Politicians, and LE) seem to forget is that we (everyday citizens) are the hunted.

    Sorry, had to vent. All I need is an AMEN, somebody.


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    Amen

    People don't understand that LE isn't always there when things take a turn for the worse. When seconds count, they are at best minutes away. You are the individual that is responsible for your own safety. Most sheep don't grasp this.

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    Unfortunately LE is primarily a "Reactive" force like you said earlier, they dont usually come into play until a crime or assault has already been committed. You get an AMEN from me !!
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    If that was true, there would be zero accounts of people defending themselves with their own weapons. The police would have already prevented any possible crime.
    "When the people fear the government you have tyranny...when the government fears the people you have liberty."


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    Quote Originally Posted by bobkat View Post
    I am so tired of hearing people say that only LE need to be armed. Even the LE community plays this up...
    To be fair, this mindset tends to be most common in big city PD's and FOP leadership... which happens to be dominated by the northeastern police elitist culture: NYPD, Boston PD, DC Metro PD types.

    Your average patrol officer or deputy sheriff tends to hold views more in-line with mainstream gun owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigman232 View Post
    If that was true, there would be zero accounts of people defending themselves with their own weapons. The police would have already prevented any possible crime.
    They would be called Pre-Crime, and be led by Tom Cruise.

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    No, there is more then a Amen needed, but I will give you the big Amen anyways.

    It's already been debated and put down that Law Enforcement does not have to protect the individual citizen, they have to protect society has a whole, but not the individual. So, no one can come at us and say only this or they/them should be armed since they have no responsibility to protect the individial citizen, it's up to us to protect ourselves.
    "I dislike death, however, there are some things I dislike more than death. Therefore, there are times when I will not avoid danger" Mencius"

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    AMEN!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guardian View Post
    It's already been debated and put down that Law Enforcement does not have to protect the individual citizen, they have to protect society has a whole, but not the individual. So, no one can come at us and say only this or they/them should be armed since they have no responsibility to protect the individial citizen, it's up to us to protect ourselves.
    Good point!
    "A strong body makes a mind strong. As to the exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
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    We civilians live in harms way everyday. We never know when or where we will become a victim. The 2nd Ammendment was based on these circumstances. If we dont take any actions to protect ourselves, nobody will do it for us. It's rare that crimes are foiled in progress. LE is getting good at report taking after the crime has been comitted.
    "Government is not the solution to our problem; government IS the problem". - Ronald Reagan 1981

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    Yeah, you're preaching to the congregation here. Amens are in order.
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    I'm going to say Amen, and add that Everyone should be armed, not just the LE, that way we don't have to depend on them, and we can actually help them.
    Walk softly ...

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    As someone that is in LE, I can still agree with you.. I am not an agent/officer (think more like CSI) and I see first hand both sides of the dime.. The private citizen usually (90% of the time) gets "attacked" and an agent/officer has to respond.. At that point they are in harms way, but what about the person that was "attacked" in the first place..

    I think a lot of the "LE only" mentality comes that most (i would say about 60% of the agents i work with) are NOT gun folks.. They only carry their weapon because the have to.. Where I work we do not see the day to day local cop thing, we investigate more white collar style crimes.. So most of the agents take their weapon off when they get to the office and put it back on when they leave for the day.. I have been fighting for years now to get the "privilege" to carry my firearm while i'm at work.. A lot of times I go out with agents and have to rely on them to protect me.. But what makes it really sad, if something happens and my "escort" gets injured or worse, killed, i'm not allowed to use their weapon to protect myself.. I have to curl in the fetal position and hope the person is a bad shot and runs out of ammo..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobkat View Post
    All I need is an AMEN, somebody.

    How 'bout a "Hallelujah" from the choir
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    Funny, every Police officer I know wholeheartedly supports my CHL; but then again I live here in Texas - things are different here.....
    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined". - Patrick Henry

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    How 'bout a "Hallelujah" from the choir
    Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hal-le-lu-jah!

    (with apologies to G.F. Handel)
    An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein

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