When I see a sign on a store that says "no weapons".......
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December 25th, 2009 03:18 PM
Every jurisdiction is different and laws must be respected, of course. Here in AZ a sign is considered a request by the operator, and unless they can reasonably prove that I received the request (by signing something, for instance) they can't legally enforce the sign. Now if you are asked by the operator to leave and don't, then you get what's coming to you when the police arrive.
I actually take it a step farther than most. I try very hard not to patronize establishments with policies like these. Even more, I have a letter that I print on letterhead (I pastor a church...so it goes out on that letterhead because much of my life is spent serving others, taking them to coffee or running an errand or something like that) and send to them asking them to reconsider their policy and requesting a call from the management. Until I get that, I regret to inform them that I can no longer recommend their establishment to my congregation or spend any money there.
December 25th, 2009 03:23 PM
For me, part of CC is a responsibility to respect laws and other rights. I either choose to shop somewhere else or if it isn't worth it to me to drive x miles to do so, then I lock it up in the car and go in. I've had a few converstions with store managers about it...and I've converted a few over and a few not. It's not that big a deal to me. My concern is not causing any controversy which could cause any issues with me having my CC permit. Other people's property they have a right to say no weapons or not...I ask them to respect my rights, so I need to respect theirs. Just my perspective.
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December 25th, 2009 03:23 PM
Sorry, Guardian, I don't see the economic sense here. The money gets spent, just elsewhere. So the business that loses lays people off, the business that gains ends up needing to hire more and the people who lost their job on the one hand gain a new one on the other with an establishment without the anti-gun policy. The same money gets spent either way, so economically it does not put anyone out of work to choose which establishment to purchase from.
Originally Posted by Guardian
That's like saying not buying a Chevy puts people out of a job. Well true enough, but buying a Ford instead gives others a job who wouldn't have it otherwise, so making a moral issue out of this doesn't make sense. Either way we choose to employ some and not others, whether that is at a grocery store or a car dealer or a clothing retailer.
I'm NOT calling anyone names at all, just trying to clarify the economics of the situation.
December 25th, 2009 03:25 PM
Originally Posted by MinistrMalic
December 25th, 2009 03:30 PM
I hear Jahwarrior, we are going towards the same goal, we just have different avenues at approaching that goal. Nothing wrong with that partner. Either way, we both agree with keeping our weapons and staying armed and defending our rights and our loved ones. Everything else can be worked around or out.
Originally Posted by jahwarrior72
Take care partner and be safe.
"I dislike death, however, there are some things I dislike more than death. Therefore, there are times when I will not avoid danger" Mencius"
December 25th, 2009 03:53 PM
Originally Posted by OlJim
If guns kill people then i can legitimately blame misspelled words on my pencil!!!
December 25th, 2009 04:10 PM
I do whatever state law says I have to. Nothing more, nothing less. I really haven't seen many but I don't really go looking for a list of rules when I visit a store, mall or anyplace else, either. I suppose if they had a glaringly obvious sign at the door, I'd shop elsewhere but I've never seen one.
"In a republic this rule ought to be observed: that the majority should not have the predominant power." -
-- Marcus Tullius Cicero
December 25th, 2009 04:12 PM
Signs mean little in Indiana.
Post all the signs you want; if you do not see my gun, I am not breaking the law.
If you see my gun and ask me to leave your place of business, I am not breaking the law unless I refuse to comply.
December 25th, 2009 11:32 PM
I agree, at some business's you really have to search around to locate a sign. I think some businesses put them up due to their insurance policy but they must not care much because some business's don't exactly go out of their way to make the sign noticeable.
Originally Posted by kpw
December 25th, 2009 11:48 PM
In MO, if a retailer has the 'proper signage', all they can do is ask you to leave, if you refuse they can call the police, then they ask you to leave or issue a ticket, and escort you out...
(1) Any Police, Sheriff, or Highway Patrol Office or Station,
(2) Within twenty-five feet of any Polling Place on any Election Day.
(3) Any Correctional Facility.
(4) Any Courthouse or Building used by a Court.
(5) Any Government Meeting including State Legislature.
(6) Government Owned Buildings except Public Housing.
(8) Secured parts of Airports.
(9) Prohibited by Federal Law;
(10) All Schools (Including Colleges);
(11) Child Care Facilities.
(13) Amusement Park.
(14) Any Church
(15) Private Property with 11X14 sign with one inch letters.
(16) Arenas and Stadiums seating over 5,000.
(17)Publicly accessible Hospitals
Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions 1) to (17) of subsection 20 of this
section by any individual who holds concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to this section shall not be
a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises.
With that said, I believe it is the insurance companies holding them hostage to put up the signs, because as said previously, most have an improper sign, or almost none. On the other hand, places that contribute to anti-gun orgs, I definitely no not patronize...
December 26th, 2009 12:14 AM
This say it for me, too.
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