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Are you considering backing gun control laws? Do you think that because you may not own a gun, the rights guaranteed by the Second ...
May 4th, 2006 11:23 PM
Interesting - Found On Web
Are you considering backing gun control laws? Do you think that because you may not own a gun, the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment don't matter?
In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945,
13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948-1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971-1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975-1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last century. Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they wish to have exterminated.
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the government more than $500 million dollars. The results Australia-wide; Homicides are up 3.2%, Assaults are up 8%, and Armed robberies are up 44%.
In that country's state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300%. Over the previous 25 years, figures show a steady decrease in armed robberies and Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in "ridding society of guns."
It's time to state it plainly; Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding citizens.
May 4th, 2006 11:23 PM
May 5th, 2006 12:22 AM
Seen that or similar QK and yes it makes very solid points.
I just wish the anti's would take off their gut emotion hats and replace with logic hats. Sadly too many sheep live with the ''it can't happen here'' philosophy.
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May 5th, 2006 12:49 AM
Well I'm no historian, but it sounds like propaganda to me. Can anyone prove these numbers?
May 5th, 2006 12:57 AM
The numbers concerning Germany are well supported !!! Just google, Jews and World War 2 !!!!!!
May 5th, 2006 01:00 AM
yeah, that part I believed.
Interesting that the rest is news, but then what do you expect considering I took a Gov. class in high school on the constitution and we never once read it through.
I'm ashamed at the education this nation gives it's students and that was 24 years ago!
May 5th, 2006 01:02 AM
Where would a person find a difinitive answer to these? What source could you trust? History books are a farce for the most part.
And why is it that all these claims of HISTORY never have footnotes?
May 5th, 2006 02:12 AM
oregonshooter; I suggest reading Death by Government by Dr. R.J. Rummel. You can also check his web site. http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/ His book is filled with footnotes.
For those who understand, no explanation is necessary.
For those who don't understand, no explanation is possible.
May 5th, 2006 02:19 AM
Even if the hard numbers are off, the fact is that a nation can arbitrarily persecute, enslave and/or murder their own citizens if those same citizens' ability to defend themselves is curtained and/or eliminated....and let's not even get to the inability to defend oneself in the fact of the criminal element if weapons ownership is eliminated and/or reduced.
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May 5th, 2006 05:15 AM
Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.
May 5th, 2006 08:20 AM
These numbers are available from many different sources. One only needs to look for them. While they may vary a little in the actually numbers, they are still huge numbers that can not be dismissed because they may not be perfectly accurate.
When you have a disarmed society you have a controlled society. A controlled society is at the mercy of the powers of the governing body.
May 5th, 2006 09:47 AM
It depends on what you will accept as "definitive", and what sources you consider trusted, doesn't it? One easy way to avoid having to accept the possibilities is to deny that any historical sources can be trusted as other than propaganda by one faction or another. Of course, histories are usually written by the victors, but these slaughters are confirmed by independent observations.
Originally Posted by oregonshooter
The Leninist and Stalinist purges in Russia and the USSR, particularly the Stalinist purges, are well-documented. The Maoist purges and the Cultural Revolution in China, likewise. The persecution of Armenians under Turkish domination during the upheaval of WWI is documented, but not well-known in the US. The Guatamalan death squads, a topic of nightly news for years in this country. The Killing Fields of Cambodia - documented and dramatized. The slaughter in Uganda, not to mention Ethiopia, the Sudan and Rwanda, documented dispassionately by the U.N. and the U.S. State Dept. Crime statistics for the UK, Australia, and Washington, DC, are available, and John Lott offers extensive citation for before and after gun control crime stats.
Are the numbers precise? How accurate do they have to be when they number in the hundreds of thousands, and millions? It would be nice to see citations for the numbers people so glibly throw around, though.
May 5th, 2006 10:30 AM
Ladies & Gents,
Here is an article from Debbie O'hara, dated April, 2004. It (at least in part) supports some of the numbers included in the article...
Wasn't it Clint Eastwood that said, "I believe in gun control. If there's a gun in the room, I want to control it"
"An armed Society is a polite society"
May 5th, 2006 10:35 AM
May 5th, 2006 11:08 AM
The numbers of the former U.S.S.R. might be lowballed a bit, considering the number of people dead as a result of being interned to the Gulag.
May 5th, 2006 02:50 PM
The result of gun control:
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