Women, Guns and Disinformation

Women, Guns and Disinformation

This is a discussion on Women, Guns and Disinformation within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; by Miguel A. Faria Jr., M.D. Wednesday, Feb. 21, 2001 Two gun control organizations have stepped forward to bring different approaches to the gun control ...

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    Women, Guns and Disinformation

    by Miguel A. Faria Jr., M.D.
    Wednesday, Feb. 21, 2001

    Two gun control organizations have stepped forward to bring different approaches to the gun control debate. Make no mistake about it, both of these groups have an agenda, and that is, circumvent the individual right to gun ownership embodied in the Second Amendment.(1)

    The Violence Policy Center (VPC) reports, \"In 1998, for every time a women used a handgun in the U.S. to kill in self-defense, 101 women died in handgun homicides.\"(2) This is the same flawed methodology utilized by biased researchers in the public health/gun prohibitionist establishment that has been discredited by serious, independent scholars in sociology, criminology, medicine and constitutional law.(3)

    The benefits of firearms in the hands of law-abiding citizens are the lives saved, the property protected and the injuries prevented, not the burglar or rapist body count.(4) This concept is so important that the Medical Sentinel of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) has dedicated two special issues - including the forthcoming Spring 2001 issue of its official journal - to this important topic.

    The VPC also contends that \"in spite of gun industry marketing, handgun ownership among women remains rare, with no statistically significant change since the 1980s.(2) There is a grain of truth in the statement - in that not enough women avail themselves of this constitutional right - but mostly, it\'s inaccurate and misleading.

    The reality is that although we don\'t know exactly how many women own guns for self-protection, we do know that more women than ever own firearms. It has been estimated that 17 million American women own or carry guns for self-defense. Still, women are being victimized because it\'s the perception and reality that not enough of them are carrying guns for self and family protection.

    Yes, many women who work in dangerous neighborhoods or who stay late at night at work are being victimized because they do not carry a gun and have not been trained in the use of firearms. Between 2-5 percent of the population in \"shall issue\" concealed carry permit (CCP) states avail themselves of that right. Less than half are women!

    The reasons for this are many, but two important ones are: 1) guns have been demonized by the media and demagogic politicians, and 2) citizens even with legal permits are frequently forbidden from exercising that right in many places such as public gatherings or restaurants. Reciprocity with other states needs to be established, and concealed carry needs to be expanded to eliminate victim disarmament zones.

    Employers also need to be educated as to their potential liabilities when they forbid employees with concealed carry permits (CCP) from exercising their right. CCP holders are law-abiding citizens. Less than 0.6 percent of licensed gun owners lose their permit for any reason, the majority of which are bureaucratic, including traffic violations. In fact, Frederick A. Paola, M.D., J.D., of the Division of Medical Ethics and Humanities, Department of Internal Medicine at the University of South Florida College of Medicine, has propounded the legal thesis that when certain physicians advise patients to disarm, and their patients are subsequently raped, robbed, assaulted or murdered, the physician could be liable for negligence.(5)

    Women carry guns for self-protection less than men (32 percent versus 47 percent), according to a survey by the magazine Women and Guns (2000).(6) The rate of concealed firearm carrying is lower for states, like California, which has a restrictive concealed carry permit. Surprisingly, there are states such as New Mexico and Missouri, and of course, the District of Columbia, that have no concealed carry laws at all. This is lamentable because the police have no obligation to protect individuals, only a duty to provide general protection to the community as a whole (Bowers vs. DeVito, 1982). Recognizing the weakness of this unfortunate and untenable situation in those states, a surprising number of gun owners, including women, carry firearms without a permit.(6)

    The other group I wanted to briefly mention has made its debut as Americans for Gun Safety (AGS). This group is trying to pass itself off as neutral in the debate, but it is not. It just uses a different, less confrontational approach to chip away at the Second Amendment. The objects of its disaffection are gun shows, although in internal documents, this group also endorses national licensing and registration.(7)

    While AGS claims otherwise, federal law requires Federal Firearms License (FFL) holders to run the same National Instant Check System (NICS) check on the transfer of firearms that takes place at a gun show as they run at their place of business. The AGS also claims that \"convicted felons are buying guns at gun shows.\" This is refuted by Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) which report that only 1.7 percent of federal inmates who possessed a firearm during their offense reported the gun was obtained, either purchased or traded, at a gun show. Moreover, the National Institute of Justice (NIJ) in another study bolsters the BJS report, corroborating the fact that less than 2 percent of guns used by criminals came from gun shows.

    Gun shows are as American as mom and apple pie for many of our citizens. They should be protected from those who have in mind nothing less than the complete circumvention of the right of citizens to keep and bear arms.

    References

    1. Faria M.A. Jr. Second amendment conveys individual rights. Human Events, Feb. 4, 2000, p. 13; and Faria M.A. Jr., Conservative forum: Individual right to bear arms. Human Events, April 21, 2000.

    2. A deadly myth: Women, handguns, and self-defense. Violence Policy Center, Jan. 31, 2001, http://www.vpc.org.

    3. Faria M.A. Jr. The perversion of science and medicine (Part I): On the Nature of Science and (Part II): Soviet science and gun control. Medical Sentinel 1997;2(2):46-48 and 49-53; and Faria M.A. Jr. The perversion of science and medicine (Part III): Public Health and Gun Control Research and (Part IV): The Battle Continues. Medical Sentinel 1997;2(3):81-82 and 83-86.

    4. Faria M.A. Jr. Public Health and Gun Control - A Review. (Part I): The benefits of firearms. Medical Sentinel 2001;6(1):11-13; and (Part II): Gun violence and constitutional issues. Medical Sentinel 2001;6(1);14-18.

    5. Paola F.A. Physicians, firearms counseling, and legal liability. Southern Medical Journal, January 2001.

    6. Oyster C.K. Women and guns 1998-1999 survey results. http://www.saf.org.

    7. New group, same old lies. NRA-ILA alert, Vol. 8, No. 7, Feb. 17, 2001.

    Miguel A. Faria Jr., M.D. is editor-in-chief of the Medical Sentinel of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), and author of \"Vandals at the Gates of Medicine\" (1995) and \"Medical Warrior: Fighting Corporate Socialized Medicine\" (1997). Web sites: HaciendaPub.com and AAPSOnline.org.


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    I am glad to see women are taking the initiative in buying handguns for self defense. It\'s about time!! I didn\'t carry or even own a weapon until my husband insisted that I have one and learn to shoot. I really enjoy it now and there is a bit of competition between us now regarding who is the best shot. I am at short distances, he has the edge on longer distances. I DO pity the poor soul who thinks they are going to attack me because I am a woman. :)

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    \"In 1998, for every time a women used a handgun in the U.S. to kill in self-defense, 101 women died in handgun homicides.\"
    Contrary to what the wrist-wringing crowd at VPC would have you believe, this says to me that we need to increase the number of women who carry by 100+ times. Then the odds will be more favorable to women and there will be a much greater deterent to bullies murderering women.

    Good article.

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    MsCHPBill, I showed your post to mywife and she is coming around on the idea of CCW carry. Thank you. It is all fine and dandy for me to preach abotu not wanting tobe a victim and I am a big guy. 5\'9\" 230 with 19inch arms, but mywife says she is safe when she is out with me. I extoll, what about when you are out solo or with the girls.

    I guess what I am saying is thank you for your post. It helps in the push to have her not be a future victim.

    We are going out to Front Sight to have professioanls train her right the first time. She is very good with her 1911, however, being able to obliterate the 10x ring is only a small portion of carrying a pistol concealed and all the responsibilites to go along with said activity.

    Originally posted by MsCHPBill
    I am glad to see women are taking the initiative in buying handguns for self defense. It\'s about time!! I didn\'t carry or even own a weapon until my husband insisted that I have one and learn to shoot. I really enjoy it now and there is a bit of competition between us now regarding who is the best shot. I am at short distances, he has the edge on longer distances. I DO pity the poor soul who thinks they are going to attack me because I am a woman. :)

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    There is a high correlation between incidences of breast cancer and women who wear bras.

    Correlation is a deadly disease. The antis use it all the time.

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    In 1998, for every time a women used a handgun in the U.S. to kill in self-defense, 101 women died in handgun homicides.
    The VPC believes that the one woman who did use a handgun if self-defense isn\'t worth anything. To them, it\'s more politically correct to be beaten, raped and murdered instead of using one of those icky guns to defend herself. It\'s for the children, you know.

    I\'ve heard all of the following from other women:
    Your man is supposed to protect you.
    Dial 911.
    You\'re paranoid.
    You\'ve been watching too much tv - that stuff doesn\'t happen in real life.
    If I used a gun/defended myself, it\'s only because my animal instincts took over.
    I won\'t stoop to the criminals'level by defending myself with a gun.
    You must be a crook/drug dealer/etc. if you carry a gun, because only crooks/drug dealers/etc. would have to worry about something bad happening to them.
    Use pepper spray/personal alarm/scream for help instead.

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    Originally posted by Betty
    It\'s for the children, you know.
    Gawd, you have hit on my pet peave. I absolutely hate it when I hear that said....:barf:

    I wondered on what occasion I would ever really want to use that smiley. I found it

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    Once I hear the phrase, \"It\'s for the children.\" I know I have won the argument. If that is all you have, you have lost. For my wife it is blood in the water. She will go after anyone using that statement with a vengence. It is something to see.:D

    My question for the VPC is, how many women go home at night without being attacked because they are carrying a firearm? We know the majority of incidents that don\'t end in a shooting aren\'t reported.

    I\'ve had people question why I carry in an area that has relatively low violent crime. They assume I\'m looking for trouble or want to shoot someone. They make other statements although I\'ve never been called a criminal/drug dealer.

    I usually give them the same answer. When I get behind the wheel of my vehicle I put on my seat belt. Does that mean I\'m looking to get in a crash? No, of course not is the response. Well when I wear my concealed firearm I\'m not looking for trouble, but like my seat belt, it is my responsibility to wear it to protect myself. I don\'t have a police officer following me around all the time (that I know of ;) ), so I am responsible for my own safety.

    My gun, like my seat belt, is something I hope to never need, but I will always have it on so that should I need it it will be there.

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    I usually give them the same answer. When I get behind the wheel of my vehicle I put on my seat belt. Does that mean I\'m looking to get in a crash? No, of course not is the response. Well when I wear my concealed firearm I\'m not looking for trouble, but like my seat belt, it is my responsibility to wear it to protect myself. I don\'t have a police officer following me around all the time (that I know of ;) ), so I am responsible for my own safety.

    My gun, like my seat belt, is something I hope to never need, but I will always have it on so that should I need it it will be there.
    That is a good argument to throw back at them, I will have to remember it when someone starts harping at me about carrying.

    I just can\'t figure those types of comments given the world we live in today.

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    Originally posted by Betty
    ...It\'s for the children, you know...
    I like to turn that lame argument around on users, because my children were 3 reasons I started carrying. While working a gun show, I asked a woman pushing a stroller if she had a CWP. She, barked at me, \"Of course not. I have children!\"

    I replied, \"MY children are worth protecting, aren\'t yours?\"

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    Originally posted by Bullwinkle J MooseI replied, \"MY children are worth protecting, aren\'t yours?\"
    Those are my sentiments exactly. I do find it a bit of a hypocritical thing to say while pushing them around a gun show in a stroller. Logic does not always apply :P

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    Originally posted by Bumper
    ... I do find it a bit of a hypocritical thing to say while pushing them around a gun show in a stroller. Logic does not always apply :P
    It demonstrates how effective the anti-rights radicals'propaganda can be on those who rely on others to do their thinking.

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    My wife carries all the time outside the home because of our 4 year old, not in spite of him! We will defend him to the max, because it is our job, and our love.
    Those who disarm parents \"for the children\" often cause those selfsame parents to end up crippled, disfigured, mentally scarred or dead due to violent attack or assault. Therefore, to \"save one life\", if they actually BELIEVED thier drivel, they\'d repeal laws restricting ownership and carry of firearms.
    Can we use this new DOJ position paper to assault bad law at the Fed level? Does anyone have the $ to do so?

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    My wife carries and my 10 yr old daughter shoots with us on the weekends. I had a couple of a-holes smart mouth about my girl carrying her 38 with low powder rounds on her hip. $100 bucks latter when she out shot this smart mouth you could see attitude begin to change.

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    My wife and oldest daughter (must be over 21 ) have their CCW license and yes they carry, infact the get a lot of grief from me when they don\'t.

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