Define concealed carry?
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January 1st, 2010 01:35 AM
Define concealed carry?
I've been on several handgun forums and read lots of discussion on how best to conceal your handgun. I'm confused. A lot of emphasis on not imprinting etc. What do I care? If I have a concealed carry permit and I have a jacket or sweater or fanny pack covering the weapon, what do I care if it imprints? What do I care if a LEO can tell I'm carrying? I have a license to carry? Is this just a matter of being politically correct? I was in a restaurant in Arkansas while on a trip and a guy walked by with an exposed handgun. I believe Arkansas is one of the states that allowed exposed carry. No one in the restaurant freaked out because this guy had a gun and no obvious indication he was LE. Please, I'm not making a statement, I'm legitimately interested in understanding.
January 1st, 2010 02:00 AM
in some states, a gun must be completely concealed: no printing, no butt sticking out from under the shirt, no nothing. you may be cited for exposing it. in other states, where it's legal to open carry, it's not so much of a concern.
January 1st, 2010 02:13 AM
I honestly don't want the BG to know I'm carrying. I want it to be a big "suprise".
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January 1st, 2010 02:25 AM
Understand that a big reason for carrying a weapon concealed is to avoid alarming the unarmed citizenry. This has nothing to do with any tactical advantage, and it predates political correctness.
Originally Posted by jsunsr
As mentioned, "printing" (not "imprinting") sufficiently to reveal the presence of a weapon beneath clothing defeats the purpose of carrying concealed, so that's why it's generally discouraged, and actually illegal in some jurisdictions (e.g., Texas).
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January 1st, 2010 02:26 AM
It's concealed when no one can either see it or know that you have a weapon on your person...pretty clear......and not hard to accomplish.
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January 1st, 2010 02:32 AM
Concealment.......stealth........reaching your objective while avoiding detection.
January 1st, 2010 02:38 AM
Truly...it depends on the law of the state....and the interpretation thereof. While VA is an OC state (no silly permit required to OC), there is no legal requirement to disclose to a LEO I have a firearm (if in a vehicle). Other states require disclosure to a LEO. Also, interpretation of various state's laws leave one the impression "printing" is not concealed carry (as crazy or improbable as it sounds).
Generally, I don't worry about printing in VA (but I still dress around the gun)...but if I were to go to SC, TX, FL (where OC is prohibited/not usual), I would keep it concealed.
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January 1st, 2010 03:02 AM
It would be trouble if an employer, coworker, anti friend, or other i'll advised person saw something they shouldn't.
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January 1st, 2010 03:09 AM
No kidding... What else is there to say...
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January 1st, 2010 03:12 AM
It's not a PC thing. If your weapon prints, some people will see it. Most never will so the print won't scare the masses. As far as not caring about a LEO seeing it because I have a permit and am totally legal, any LEO that sees a badly concealed handgun should follow up on it and that conversation takes time out of my day.
Originally Posted by jsunsr
WA is an open carry state, but I'm just more comfortable with a concealed CCW.
January 1st, 2010 03:42 AM
why do you not want to print?? http://pacer.mad.uscourts.gov/dc/opi...ubert%20mo.pdf because the court said it was Ok for the cop to hold the man at gun point then steal his gun......
this is one of the reasons im OCing more :P
why i conceal being a large guy it hides very easily
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January 1st, 2010 03:58 AM
If you're in an open carry (OC) state and that's what you choose to do, then that's your perogative. Many pros and cons to OC (search the threads). If you are going to concealed carry (CC), then that's also your perogative. If you choose to carry concealed based on your analysis of benefits (tactical, public perception, etc.) then go to the minimal effort to make sure it is concealed completely. Not much middle ground...either it is OC or CC based on your circumstances. JMHO. There are times I OC (minimal times now) and mostly CC. A small pistol in an inexpensive IWB holster and no one knows it is there but me...and posessing lethal force is a huge responsibility necessitating greater tolerance and de-escalation of situations.
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January 1st, 2010 05:32 AM
Sheep run scared, and there are millions more of them than those upstanding few who desire to be left alone while ensuring they have some ability to defend against crime. And when they go running to the authorities in fearful tones about the gun-toting madman loose in their streets, the authorities come running. In places that willingly support such aggressive, harassing behavior by its law enforcement community, it can literally cost you thousands of dollars to keep cleaning the legal muck of your head after it has been dumped on you, all to merely clear your name. THAT is why you care. The degree to which you should care will vary by how energetically and vehemently your local law enforcement authorities "jump" when such calls by the fearful populace come in.
A lot of emphasis on not imprinting etc. What do I care?
Basically, that's it. That's why complete concealment in accordance with the statutes for CHL is important.
Some states aren't so energetic, instead realizing that we're card-carrying good guys, that we're not threatening anyone, that the job is to go after criminals and not to jump at the sound of every screaming ninny who calls in about Guns! Guns! Guns! Depends on your state's laws, and your area's LEO's and what they've been told by their captains as to how aggressively to wield the baton and their force.
As for the definition, it's as simple as the words found in the dictionary:
Concealed: out of sight.
Carry: to wear or have on one's person.
Review your state's laws on brandishing, threatening behavior, causing fear/disruption, and recent cases in the past 5yrs of law enforcement's behavior with respect to calls for "man with a gun" situations by fearful people who want you controlled. Then you'll know how close to that ideal you need to be.
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January 1st, 2010 05:39 AM
January 1st, 2010 06:23 AM
"Review your state's laws on brandishing, threatening behavior, causing fear/disruption, and recent cases in the past 5yrs of law enforcement's behavior with respect to calls for "man with a gun" situations by fearful people who want you controlled. Then you'll know how close to that ideal you need to be."
This is a great idea. I have to figure out how to search it. I'm in CT. Any ideas?
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