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This is a discussion on Feeling VERY threatened by a crazy person within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Milly Thank you all for a HUGE amount of great ideas, and for all of the really fantastic support! To answer some ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milly View Post
    Thank you all for a HUGE amount of great ideas, and for all of the really fantastic support!

    To answer some of the statements and questions so far posted here:

    We have no family to speak of, except for a 23 year old son five states away, who is concerned about this, but is also quite uninterested. So we have no real family base of any kind anymore (which can be a positive thing: No one else for Bill and I to protect and to worry about!). We also know the local neighbors, but we are not really social enough to become friends with them; but they are all good people, and may help in certain limited circumstances.

    The Feds that Bill and I met before and after the trial where really fantastic people, and very nice, but after the trial they appeared to completely lose interest in all of the trial witnesses…

    A jailhouse informant is apparently the one who notified the Federal authorities that Bill's brother was trying to hire him to eliminate the chief prosecutor (but without other evidence, I guess, the Feds couldn't charge him with anything concrete).

    I personally have a loaded S&W 640 stainless in my night stand, cylinder open. I love it! And we both load .38 HydraShok +Ps.

    We don't want to go to semi-autos, as Bill has told me his experiences owning and firing many semi-autos in the 1970's, and (I am quoting now) he "came to dislike their ammo sensitivity, limp wrist jams, stove piping, failures to eject, failures to lock-up, also sometimes ejecting magazines while in the holster or when the mag release was accidently pressed during handling, and their (mostly) single action triggers (too risky for a "ND"), inability to double strike a stubborn primer, their shear complexity vs. a revolver, etc." (He is telling me as I write this that he understands that a few of these issues have been somewhat or totally corrected over the last few years, but he still says "Five for sure, as opposed to 17 maybe!".)

    Bill has a 4" Colt Python too, but I find it too heavy, and he doesn't care for the possibility of accidently going into single action mode (SA shooting was the way he was trained years ago).

    He is ULTRA safety conscious, as well as being very aware of the dangers of the BG getting the shotgun while we are away, and just waiting for us (so he has a combo lock on the trigger, as well as having the gun unloaded (due to the combo lock being in the trigger guard). However, he can get the piece unlocked, loaded, and ready to fire in about 15 seconds).

    We absolutely agree that we would be in trouble against a determined and/or professional attacker, as not only do they not hesitate, but they can pick the time and the place to do what they plan to do. But we are thankfully on a dead-end road in the country, set back from the street, with trees cleared back some 50 feet on all sides of the house.

    Thankfully we are retired, so we are not as vulnerable as someone who must go to work every day (as we had to before we left our original "home" state to get away from this nutcase two years ago).

    Bill's nut-job brother is also relatively good with certain explosives, so we now shut our garage doors (soon to be alarmed too).

    My husband has the concealed carry permit, and never leaves home un-armed (even to pick up a bottle of milk). I don't feel confident enough though to carry at the moment, but Bill would definitely like me to!

    We are, thankfully, pretty lean and fit, and "only" in our early fifties, so we at least still have good mobility and speed.

    Thank you again to all; you have all been GREAT with this!!

    PS: I especially love the security idea of "Re-plant the areas outside every window with chest-high, thorny, stout bushes that will shred an intruder who is not wearing a shark suit". That should really be a part of every secure household. Excellent deterrent!

    Milly
    I, like other members have already done, would like to emphasize the following:

    1. Training....Train both as individuals AND together...Go through PROFESSIONAL training and also work on your scenario training with each other.

    2. Milly...you obviously have an excellent and sharp mind, get your concealed weapons permit, supplement it with the TRAINING. It's good that you have the 640 in the nightstand, but it would be MUCH better to have it ON your person even when at home.

    3. You and Bill develop a CODEWORD system to use in certain situations. For instance, if you are home, Bill calls, and crazy brotherinlaw is holding you at gunpoint, say something to Bill like "my day is going good Honey, but MY STOMACH HAS BEEN HURTING A LIL BIT. That phrase could let Bill know you are in trouble.

    4. Ask Bill to reconsider semi-automatic weapons. As others have said, reliability has increased a 100% over the past 30 years. Professional Training will help in this area as well. Glocks are VERY reliable and the Taurus Slim has addressed the missfire situation and will allow you a second strike on that stubborn primer. Also both the Glock and the Taurus semi-automatics are very simple in operating and breakdown and cleaning. Both of you go take a look and if possible test fire them. Training will give you the confidence to overcome malfunctions that you mentioned above.

    You and Bill have to depend not only on each other, but also on yourselves independently. I'd say you are well on your way to preparing, now top it off with the training...JMO...
    Sometimes in life you have to stand your ground. It's a hard lesson to learn and even most adults don't get it, but in the end only I can be responsible for my life. If faced with any type of adversity, only I can overcome it. Waiting for someone else to take responsibility is a long fruitless wait.


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    Sorry to hear that.

    I would get speedloaders over strips, as they are much faster. Revolvers are great, but the 100% reliability no matter what thing is a bit overstated in lots of cases. The short sight radius of a snubby and heavy DA trigger make it more difficult to shoot than a larger handgun. It is good in that you'll have it on you all the time most likely, but I would step up to a larger auto if I were in this situation. Everyone should be comfortable with their gun if they plan to carry it for defensive purposes so training is a great idea.

    Good luck and be safe.

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    whoa.
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    but since Bill's brother was on the U.S. Army Pistol team, was a highly trained ex-LEO, and was an Army Officer (he is said to be an excellent combat pistol shooter, but was dismissed from each of these positions one after the other as he became progressively more mentally ill),
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    Are you sure Bill's brother was truthful when he spoke about his background? I can't see him becoming a military officer after being dismissed as a LEO for a mental illness or vise versa. He might have hid a lot more about his background from his family than you realize.
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    Not much more to add, but you will be in my prayers as well.

    Just a couple thoughts I've had, and they may be discredited entirely by the more experienced. First, it's great you have the SD shotgun, but 15 seconds is a long time. It's much faster than dialing 911 of course, but if you're startled during the middle of the night, most people are a little dazed when they wake, and it may double that time to get the gun loaded and ready to go. I'd suggest leaving it loaded, and somewhere close but out of site. If possible, some sort of safe to have it locked but ready to release in under 5 seconds. Also, buckshot is great, but you may want to look into slugs as well for greater penetration behind walls if that is needed. Only you know what your home is like, no one else on this forum does.

    Second, someone mentioned sniper as a possibility. Depending on how much you want to put into all this, may look into purchasing either an AR, or lever action deer rifle. There was another thread on here discussing how the 30-30 lever action rifle could be considered one of the first AR created. It's small enough to be used in short range situations, but can also be scoped and used for longer encounters, even if to provide cover fire.

    Third, there is a thread on here, I can't remember what it's title is--others can help out, but it's basically "what have you done to defend your home." This included installing better screws to prevent doors from being kicked in easily, better shrubs, and so forth. Can anyone else link this for me? I was thinking about installing a steel/hard wood door to your bedroom and essentially turning it into a "panic room" where you can lock yourselves in if needed. Installing a better door here and locking it at night may give you extra time; and if someone starts breaking it down, then blast away with the shotgun.

    Good luck and hopefully nothing will come to pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uncballzer View Post
    Third, there is a thread on here, I can't remember what it's title is--others can help out, but it's basically "what have you done to defend your home." This included installing better screws to prevent doors from being kicked in easily, better shrubs, and so forth. Can anyone else link this for me?
    A search for title=Hardening brings up the following links:

    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
    Thoughts: Justifiable self defense (A.O.J.).
    Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
    Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
    NRA, SAF, GOA, OFF, ACLDN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormtruck2 View Post
    Your mind set is the most crucial component of your survival.
    +1,000,000

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    Just my thoughts:

    If I were facing what you have described here:

    1. Wife and I both would have shotgun close at hand at home ready to chamber and fire.

    2. I would pack at least one shotgun in car ready to chamber and fire when out and about, also second hand gun in car for each of you.

    3. I would place extra handgun in my house where only we knew where they are located.

    4. Where ever you chose to live I would darken my windows and do the things already described here to secure my home.

    5. Consider the choke points in your home, they are the best shooting points for defense. He may hire a gang or more then one to ether accompany him or accomplish his desires, therefore choke points and firepower ( extra firearms)really count..

    6. Both of you should consider a lock blade folder that never leaves your touch, if he is really disarranged then he may want to get his hands on you, and up close and personal , smell his bad breath, the knife may be your best hope.

    All this said and I am wondering if maybe he could have really had a change of heart and not be on the vengeance trail. I will be praying for you and him as God is the only one that can fix what is broken in your BIL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormtruck2 View Post
    You need to think not will he attack, but that he is going to. That mind set could save your life. When it happens you[r] mind will react "here it is" not "I can't believe he's really doing this."
    Absolutely. This can save seconds, in reaction time. It can mean the difference between being taken by surprise and instead surprising your adversary. It can swing the encounter. Particularly if you already know for a fact that he's a marksman, a CQB type person and well-trained by occupation, you'll need every advantage you can get.

    Your mind set is the most crucial component of your survival. REFUSE TO DIE! REFUSE TO LOSE!
    Yup. My siggy line refers to this most-important aspect:

    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.

    Meaning, it's important to have a strong mindset and mental prep; to keep your head during an encounter; to think quickly, continually and outside of the box. If you fail to do these things against a stronger adversary, you're very likely to lose.
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
    Thoughts: Justifiable self defense (A.O.J.).
    Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
    Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
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    The good thing about forums like this is that everyone brings a different perspective or view point to the table. We all have as our goal the protection and defense of our families and ourselves, how we get there may be different. What works for one may or may not work for another. There is alot of great info here. I would like to say that before you talk to local law enforcement you consult with an attorney. Some police personnel can get things messed up and turn things around to the point you would think that you are the bad guy. Document everything and send copies to your attorney. Work toward your safety and don't concern yourself with what others think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supertac45 View Post
    Are you sure Bill's brother was truthful when he spoke about his background? I can't see him becoming a military officer after being dismissed as a LEO for a mental illness or vise versa. He might have hid a lot more about his background from his family than you realize.
    Thanks again guys for more great info! I'm giving all of this to my husband Bill so he too can digest it.

    Hi Supertac45; Yes, Bill's brother's professional history is not a figment of his twisted imagination, as so much else is in his warped life (for instance, he now thinks (no, he knows) that he is a Doctor of Medicine, all because he mail ordered a doctorate from a diploma mill for $300!!).

    He was first an Army Officer, then on their shooting team (pistol), then after about 10 years in the military he was unwillingly, but honorably, discharged for reasons that he never would disclose to us. Then he became a LEO in a small town, where he was finally fired after many years on the force as a street cop (again, for reasons he would not disclose). Throughout this entire period of many years he just seemed to get crazier and angrier, and age never improves such things!

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    This is scary business. Definitely get local and federal law enforcement into the loop regarding your fears.

    Does Bill have other siblings besides the brother in question? Are they closer geographically to him and on better terms? Can they give insight into his mindset and intentions?

    He's already contacted one of your friends. Make sure all of your friends "back home" know that information about you is not to be disclosed.

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    Lots of good advice. I would like to add that, if you and your husband are sold on revolvers, several companies make 7 and 8 shot revolvers, some of them lightweight (S&W). They can be set up to use with moon clips which are a very fast reload.

    This thread got me to thinking about my brother who I'm sure is mentally ill. I haven't spoke with him since 1991 but I know he blames everyone else for his problems. After reading this thread, even though it's probably a long shot, I'm going to start doing some things differently as he's only one state away. Good wake up call for me.
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    I'm sorry that you and your husband have to go though a situation like this. Your family is in my prayers.

    I've noticed a couple people mentioned filing for protection orders. If that is a route you plan to go, make sure you know the laws associated with that. I know that in my area (I don't know if it is different anywhere else, someone else might be able to help) when a protection order is filed for, you are given a temporary PO however, once it is served to the other party you will meet that person in court for the judge to decide whether or not to issue. That could cause problems if you don't want him to find you.

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    Sorry for your troubles.

    My input along with everyone else here;

    1. 15 seconds to have a HD Shotgun ready to go is 14.5 seconds too long. Fine if you want to lock it up when you are away, but IMO it should be hot, accessible, and ready in all respects anytime you are home.

    2. Motion lights both inside (seriously) and out.

    3. Your SO needs to get over his conceptions on semi auto pistols. Practice, practice, practice. Even if you do encounter a failure, 99% of them can be cleared as fast as a wheel gun rotating to the next round. Wheel guns are not infallible either. Get a stuck case or even a stubborn one that resists dropping out of the cylinder during a reload... On a real bad day, I'd rather get 9 shots out of 14 in my .40 auto than 5 + a reload on a revolver.

    My sympathies go out to you. A "not right in the head" convicted felon is released and on the streets, and now you and yours have to live like prisoners. No good can come from this.
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    A person who is incapable of independent thought; a person who is herd animal-like in behavior; one who cannot distinguish between right and wrong; a foolish person.
    See also Sheep

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