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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
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    The I gotta show my carry permit gun dork: This gun owner, for whatever reason, insists on notifying the officer she holds a gun carry permit. Maybe thinking the officer will give her “professional courtesy” and not issue a summons if the officer sees the permit, the gun dork slyly exposes her permit while finding her driver’s license, or maybe asks, batting her eyes, “officer, do you want to see my concealed handgun permit?”
    In FL I am not required to inform the LEO that I am legally carrying a firearm, but I always do it; it is called courtesy. And every time I did it the officers appreciated it. So, my question is … WHO IS THE REAL DORK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by varob View Post
    One way to avoid encounters with the police is to not break the law.

    That means you, lead footers.
    Agreed, lol. I usually go one or two miles-per-hour UNDER the limit I've never been stopped and don't plan to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    In 1991 a bad cop tried to talk me into confessing to a crime he knew I hadn't commited.
    Major events of December 1991:
    1st - "Moscow Circus Cirk Valentin" closes at Gershwin NYC after 32 perfs
    1st - "Once on this Island" closes at Booth Theater NYC after 469 perfs
    1st - 80th Davis Cup: France beats USA in Lyon (3-1)
    1st - AIDS awareness day
    1st - Colorado party wins Paraguay parliamentary election
    1st - Nursultan Nazarbayev sworn in as president of Kazakhstan
    1st - US 75th manned space mission "STS 44" Atlantis 10 lands
    1st - Ukrainian people vote for independence
    2nd - Bobby Bonilla signs record $29 million-5 year pact with NY Mets
    2nd - Muslim Shites release American held in Lebanon hostage Joseph Cicippio
    3rd - Hulk Hogan defeats Undertaker to become 4th time WWF champion
    3rd - Muslim Shites release US hostage Alan Steen
    3rd - White House Chief of Staff John Sununu resigns
    4th - Judds final concert (Nashville)
    4th - Muslim Shites release last US hostage Terry Anderson (held 6˝ years)
    4th - Pan American World Airways ceased operations
    4th - Patricia Bowman testifies that William Kennedy Smith raped her
    5th - "Catskills on Broadway" opens at Lunt-Fontanne NYC for 452 perfs
    5th - Charles Keating Jr (Lincoln Savings & Loan fraud), found guilty
    5th - NY Daily News files for protection under chapter 11
    6th - "Les Miserables" opens at Circustheater, Scheveningen
    6th - "Star Trek VI-Undiscovered Country" premieres
    7th - A J Kitt, US, wins World Skiing Cup
    8th - "Homecoming" closes at Criterion Theater NYC after 49 performances
    8th - "Nick & Nora" opens at Marquis Theater NYC for 9 performances
    8th - Kris Tschetter/Billy Andrade wins LPGA J C Penney Golf Classic
    8th - Russia, Belorussia & Ukraine form Commonwealth of Ind States
    8th - The Romanian Constitution is adopted in a referendum.
    9th - 2nd Billboard Music Awards
    10th - "Crucible" opens at Belasco Theater NYC for 32 performances
    10th - IM Pei receives $5 million for design of Rock & Roll Hall of Fame
    10th - Jackie Martling walks off of Howard Stern show for 1 day
    10th - Howard Spira sentenced to 2˝ years in prison for trying to extort money from Yankees owner George Steinbrenner
    11th - William Kennedy Smith found not guilty of rape
    12th - Actor Richard Gere marries super model Cindy Crawford
    12th - Maastricht Treaty signed to create a European Community
    12th - NJ Nets set NBA record of 22 blocks beating Nuggets 121-81
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    12th - Tampa Bay Bucaneer Dexter Manley, retires after failing drug test
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    14th - 57th Heisman Trophy Award: Desmond Howard, Michigan (WR)
    14th - Ferry boat Salem Express sinks in Red Sea, 476 killed
    15th - "Nick & Nora" closes at Marquis Theater NYC after 9 performances
    15th - Deb Richard wins JBP Cup LPGA Match Play Golf Championship
    16th - Fla Marlins sign their 1st player, 16 year old pitcher Clemente Nunez
    16th - UN reverses ruling that Zionism is racism by 111-25 (13 abstain) vote
    16th - Independence of The Republic of Kazakhstan.
    17th - Cleveland Cavaliers beat Miami Heat 148-80, by record 68 pts
    17th - NBA's most lopsided game Cleveland beats Miami 148-80
    17th - Patrick Manning becomes premier of Trinidad & Tobago
    17th - Soap opera "One Life To Live" airs its 6,000th episode
    18th - DeForest Kelly (Dr McCoy on Star Trek) gets a star in Hollywood
    18th - General Motors announces closing of 21 plants
    19th - "Christmas Carol" opens at Eugene O'Neill Theater NYC for 14 perfs
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    19th - NY Yankee pitcher Steve Howe arrested for cocaine possession
    20th - NHL grants permanent membership to Tampa Lightning & Ottawa Senators
    20th - Paul Keating installed as premier of Australia
    20th - A Missouri court sentences the Palestinian militant Zein Isa and his wife Maria to death for the honor killing of their daughter Palestina.
    21st - 95 share in Madrid Spain $1.3 billion lottery (#47996)
    21st - El Sayid Nosair acquitted of killing Meir Kahane
    21st - US actress Jane Fonda marries CNN-director Ted Turner
    21st - Soviet Union formally dissolves 11 of 12 republics sign treaty forming Commonwealth of Independent States
    23rd - NY Daily News publisher Kevin Maxwell resigns
    24th - Mikhail Gorbachev resigns as head of Soviet Union
    25th - Last day of a washout Pakistan v Sri Lanka at Gujranwala
    25th - Mikhail Gorbachev formally resigned as Pres of USSR
    26th - Chuck Knolls retires as NFL coach after 23 years
    26th - Jack Ruby's gun sells for $220,000 in auction
    26th - Militant Sikhs kill 55 & wound 70 in India
    26th - NY Islander Derek King ties NJ Devils 5-5 with ˝ second left
    27th - "Carol Burnett Show" last airs on CBS-TV
    27th - Bengals hire Dave Shula as youngest NFL coach (32)
    27th - Chuck Knox retires as Seattle Seahawk coach
    28th - 8 are crushed to death at a RAP basketball game at City College, NYC
    28th - Blockbuster Bowl 2: Alabama beats Colorado, 30-25
    28th - Irene the Icon of Greek Orthodox church returns after being stolen
    28th - Ninibeth Beatriz Leal Jiminez, 20, of Venez, crowned 41st Miss World
    28th - Ted Turner is named Time Magazine Man of Year
    29th - "Christmas Carol" closes at Eugene O'Neill Theater NYC after 14 perfs
    29th - 12th United Negro College Fund
    29th - Boeing 747-200F of China Airlines crash into mountain at Taipei
    31st - CPN, Communist Party of Netherland, last day of existance
    31st - Daniel R McCarthy elected NY Yankee managing general partner
    31st - Dow Jones closes at record high 3168.83
    31st - J Donald Crump resigned as CFL Commissioner
    31st - USSR, last day of existence
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    Quote Originally Posted by varob View Post
    One way to avoid encounters with the police is to not break the law.

    That means you, lead footers.
    Easiest way I know of, not to mention the cheapest.
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    so basically if you get pulled over : YouTube - Dont Talk to Police
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatGonzo View Post
    Major events of December 1991:
    21st - US actress Jane Fonda marries CNN-director Ted Turner
    Jane Fonda and Ted Turner divorced in May 2001. Treo's grudge against the law enforcement community has lasted significantly longer than their marriage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRTCP88 View Post
    Agreed, lol. I usually go one or two miles-per-hour UNDER the limit I've never been stopped and don't plan to be.
    Oh man, I'd hate to be behind you. Most people from around here go 5 over, and most cops don't really pull people over for it. If they do its usually because they find the vehicle suspicious or because its late and they want to know where their going at 3am. But not to give someone a ticket for 5 over. Actually cops around here would get pretty annoyed being behind you, most cops here speed incessantly. They'll tale gate you until they can get in the next lane over and even in rare cases pull you over. The fines for going too slow under the speed limit are far worst than if you were going over because it causes irregularity in traffic flow. Don't mean to pick you out of the bunch but this is one of my biggest pet peeves as I deliver bread for a living and I'd rather have an a##hole cut me off going too fast than a poofy haired grandpa/ma going 2-5 miles an hour under the speed limit... RANT OVER
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    in GA you can be convicted of a speed of less than 10mph except in certain circumstances.....like school zones, construction or marked historic districts....

    although the 10mph law doesnt apply to GSP and the DNR rangers only local counties and cities etc(unless they pace you).... iirc its code 40-14-8

    Title 40, Chapter 14, Section 8 (40-14-8)

    (a) No county, city, or campus officer shall be allowed to make a case based on the use of any speed detection device, unless the speed of the vehicle exceeds the posted speed limit by more than ten miles per hour and no conviction shall be had thereon unless such speed is more than ten miles per hour above the posted speed limit.

    (b) The limitations contained in subsection (a) of this Code section shall not apply in properly marked school zones one hour before, during, and one hour after the normal hours of school operation, in properly marked historic districts, and in properly marked residential zones. For purposes of this chapter, thoroughfares with speed limits of 35 miles per hour or more shall not be considered residential districts. For purposes of this Code section, the term "historic district" means a historic district as defined in paragraph (5) of Code Section 44-10-22 and which is listed on the Georgia Register of Historic Places or as defined by ordinance adopted pursuant to a local constitutional amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    In 1991 a bad cop tried to talk me into confessing to a crime he knew I hadn't commited. He left me handcuffed for hours in an attempt to intimidate a confession out of me. He also tried to falsify the transcripts of his interrogation of me to look like I had confessed. Had he been able to get a confession I would have spent years in a military prison. Had I simply invoked my right to remain silent as soon as I was arrested the incident would have ended that night.

    I learned from my mistake I DO NOT EVER under any circumstances volunteer information to the police and I don't understand the mindset of someone who does.

    There are a lot of folks on this forum (IMO) who have the sheep dog bug real bad. I believe that the majority of you believe that your CHP makes you a member of some elite fraternity and showing your CHP to a cop (licking the master's hand) is some kind of secret hand shake
    Can I ask you then why you stay here? I respect the way you think, but considering that a large part of the forum’s members are LEOs and that many members prefer to inform that they are carrying, you must feel horrible in this forum.

    You say “There are a lot of folks on this forum (IMO) who have the sheep dog bug real bad. I believe that the majority of you believe that your CHP makes you a member of some elite fraternity and showing your CHP to a cop (licking the master's hand) is some kind of secret hand shake”. Well, you are wrong, I do not believe that I am member of some elite fraternity, I am just aware that my firearm does not make me like Superman. I might be one of those people that you consider they have a real bad sheep dog bug, but at least I have enough education to do not need to offend other people in order to make my point.
    By the way, do not think so much about the event you say happened in 1991 or about the “military prison” (?), because you will end in one sooner or later (but only if you are in the military, otherwise it will be a Federal prison).
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    Required in NC to disclose to LE during a traffic stop. They know when they run your plate, and if you dont tell them they could give you a hard time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRTCP88 View Post
    Agreed, lol. I usually go one or two miles-per-hour UNDER the limit I've never been stopped and don't plan to be.
    I do not think you live in FL, because here you can almost be stopped for driving one or two miles per hour under the limit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    In 1991 a bad cop tried to talk me into confessing to a crime he knew I hadn't commited. He left me handcuffed for hours in an attempt to intimidate a confession out of me. He also tried to falsify the transcripts of his interrogation of me to look like I had confessed. Had he been able to get a confession I would have spent years in a military prison. Had I simply invoked my right to remain silent as soon as I was arrested the incident would have ended that night.

    I learned from my mistake I DO NOT EVER under any circumstances volunteer information to the police and I don't understand the mindset of someone who does.

    There are a lot of folks on this forum (IMO) who have the sheep dog bug real bad. I believe that the majority of you believe that your CHP makes you a member of some elite fraternity and showing your CHP to a cop (licking the master's hand) is some kind of secret hand shake
    And it has not been mentioned yet, but there may be one justification for notification to the LEO. If for some unforseen reason your weapon should be in plain sight, like his partner is looking in your passenger side window as you turn to look out your window and your shirt rides up, the stop just might end better. I see no down side to informing first. I doubt the LEO is going to treat you any worse. If anything, you have started off an a better footing by being up front. More officers are killed on traffic stops than any other call. Making it go smoother just seems like a no brainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GM View Post
    In FL I am not required to inform the LEO that I am legally carrying a firearm, but I always do it; it is called courtesy. And every time I did it the officers appreciated it. So, my question is … WHO IS THE REAL DORK?
    A guy from NC informed Fairfax County, VA cops when he didn't need to and was falsely arrested for a variety of nonexistent "offenses". To put icing on the cake, they tried to keep his gun AFTER a magistrate declared it a false arrest and ordered him freed. How'd that "courtesy" work out for HIM?

    In Ohio, I'm required to inform WHEN ARMED. So, OF COURSE, there are those who insist upon informing when NOT armed.

    I'm not interested in made up "courtesies" that have no force of law. If a cop wants to hassle me for obeying the LAW, well we'll just see how that works out for him.

    And as somebody else so aptly put it, if you don't want contact with the police (which I do NOT) OBEY THE LAW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basher052 View Post
    I see no down side to informing first. I doubt the LEO is going to treat you any worse.
    It HAS happened. I have NO obligation to do anything besides obey the law, whether it's traffic law or CCW law. I'm not playing games with anybody outside of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerThat View Post
    Oh man, I'd hate to be behind you. Most people from around here go 5 over, and most cops don't really pull people over for it. If they do its usually because they find the vehicle suspicious or because its late and they want to know where their going at 3am. But not to give someone a ticket for 5 over. Actually cops around here would get pretty annoyed being behind you, most cops here speed incessantly. They'll tale gate you until they can get in the next lane over and even in rare cases pull you over. The fines for going too slow under the speed limit are far worst than if you were going over because it causes irregularity in traffic flow. Don't mean to pick you out of the bunch but this is one of my biggest pet peeves as I deliver bread for a living and I'd rather have an a##hole cut me off going too fast than a poofy haired grandpa/ma going 2-5 miles an hour under the speed limit... RANT OVER
    I was J/K. I don't go that slow, but I do tend to err on the safe side. I give three seconds instead of two between me and the next car, I look left-right-left-right-left while at stop signs, etc.

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