This is a discussion on In defense of others within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; If I can reasonably ascertain who the "real" victim is in any given situation and I am in position to help, I would certainly do ...
My gun is used only for me and family
I would defend a 3rd party if it was lawful
I would only defend a 3rd party if they were a child
If I can reasonably ascertain who the "real" victim is in any given situation and I am in position to help, I would certainly do so. I am also a father of two little girls...that would also impact my decision in any given situation. The victim could also be a father, mother, son, daughter, etc...I would hope someone would help me if they could. There are thousands of scenarios that could occur - I would hope that anyone with common sense could accurately judge 98% of those scenarios at first look. I, for one, would help if I could.
The whole reason I started carrying and training to begin with was because I KNEW I couldn't count on anyone else coming to my aide... that includes other concealed carriers. I don't expect them to help me and that's why I train and prepare to the dickens to make sure I'm able to defend myself and my own.
If that makes me sound like a selfish person than so be it but I'd rather have a lifetime to look in the mirror and regret not acting on behalf of someone as opposed to missing the rest of my life with the people I love and who depend on me.
I'd also rather have a guilty conscience about not acting than a guilty conscience about intervening on the wrong individual's behalf. What if I killed the "true" good guy? Just imagine how guilty I'd feel then?
Two years ago I had different views. Two years ago I would have said I would have gotten involved, but becoming a parent has done a lot to change my way of thinking.
My #1 responsibility is the safety of myself and my immediate family. I will try to help as long as my actions don't conflict with that #1 responsibility.
The default and honest answer is the gun is for me and mine only. I'm not closed to helping others but deploying a gun depends entirely on the situation at hand.
That is all im going to say about this because i dont want it to turn sour by arguing. To each their own and whatever you decide to do be safe doing it.
It depends on the situation, I'm retired Military, my whole career has been about helping people, but situations in the military are mostly cut and dry, it's different out here. It's not as clear all the time who is who or what is what, so all I can say is I'll do my best with what I have in respect to scenario, time, information and resources available.
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You walk a fine legal line there. "Reasonable person", and SC adds "...what you believe the victim would do if they were armed..."
In a clear cut robbery situation - I might if I felt there was a good chance the BG would shoot the victim or if he turned the gun my way.
In a person with a gun pointed at another person - I'd be VERY, VERY careful.
Is the man holding a woman at gunpoint a potential rapist or someone defending himself against a prostitute trying to rob him with a knife or broken bottle? And if it's a domestic, you might very well find both parties turn on you.
Is the scruffily-dressed young man holding a business-suited older man at gunpoint in the alley a mugger or a plain clothes LEO making a bunko arrest?
In all cases, you'd better decide quickly and you'd better not be wrong.
I sleep well knowing I and my family are safe and knowing I am capable of defending all. I don't worry about lawsuits for I have found my way - the way of the survivor - regardless. I am not my brother's keeper, nor is he mine.LethalStang, Sleep well at night knowing that you will be judged by the only one that matters, for you are a good brother. I for one will help my fellow brother. Those of you that worry about law suits and such need to find your way.
Well, I voted that I would help a third party, but it would come with a big, "It depends". Not being new to these situations, as a retired LEO, I would really have to know who was involved to some extent, before I'd get involved. For instance, the convenience store we go to 95% of the time, we've been going to for almost 20 years. I recognize and know all the clerks names. Most of them have been there for a few years, some of them more than 10. We probably go to that store 7-8 times a week. I wouldn't hesitate to intervene in an attempted robbery there, if needed.
I'm also smart enough not to go running blindly into a situation that I'm not sure of who the players are... That could end up being the biggest mistake of anyone's life. If you intervene and something goes wrong, no one is going to cut you any slack. The DA and grand jury isn't going to be sympathetic because "he was just trying to help". Neither is a civil judge and jury....
Of course, coming to the aid of a child would be a given. I think most folks would have a soft spot for a child in trouble...
So in reality, I'm with Lima on this one... I have found my way and made peace with the one who matters and sleep well at night...
Last edited by TX-JB; January 1st, 2010 at 11:48 PM. Reason: added comment and typos
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No, I wouldn't charge into a gunfight like Clint Eastwood, but I also couldn't stand by and let someone get assaulted/raped/robbed/killed.
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If I had children I may have the same opinion as you but I don't so I can't pretend to know if it would change how I would react. JMO
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I didn't get sued, btw. Nor did I get a thank you, though, to my recollection. I'm fine with that, because I knew what I did was right.
I went with...I would defend a 3rd party if it was lawful, however it would really depend on the situation. I wouldn't hesitate, unless doing so would turn the tables and place my life or families into a deadly situation.
I voted for protection of me and my family. IMO the other 2 choices are to general in scope. You come upon a fight you have no idea who or what caused it. The person you "protect" may very well be the instigator. A child screaming and fighting an adult may be a child not wanting to go with a parent, you have no way to know for sure.
The case of an attempted rape or if you see and hear a robbery from the start is a different story. Unfortunately just coming around a corner and seeing one person holding a gun on another does not make the guy with the gun the bad guy. My first priority is myself and my family.