This is a discussion on In defense of others within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by DaveH What would have been right for me in the situation of a young single Marine vs. what would have been right ...
My gun is used only for me and family
I would defend a 3rd party if it was lawful
I would only defend a 3rd party if they were a child
Strange, how maintaining one's commitments of Duty and Responsibility to others in the face of a faceless current need is called a fearful response. To those making the choice it's most definitely a deeply-held sense of Duty and Responsibility to those we love. Fear and cowardice has little to do with it.
What of those to whom we already hold a Duty? Spouse and child, for example, in Lima/JD's case? Their lives are to be valued less because some new unnamed stranger has a current need somewhere within shouting distance? At worst, it's a juggling of the multiple levels of Duty and Responsibility we hold, determining relative value. One cannot be all things to everyone at all times, and one cannot maintain honor if one blindly discards existing Duty and Responsibility for the short-term problem of another. That decision must be weighed. It's a decision that is personal and has ramifications.Exactly so. Blind devotion to the moment has destroyed more ultimate purpose than most anything in the existence of Man, I'd say. It's a fatal flaw in us, as a species, to willingly toss so much out the window with the bath water, so to speak. Having the strength to stand against blindness and use our intellect to discern when it's critical to act and worth acting is important, if what's important is worth holding onto. I'm all for helping ... just not blindly.How do you know who's helpless and who is the victim? How do you know the person "in need" really isn't the bad guy on the receiving end of self-defense? How do you know whether or not you're walking into a beef between two very bad people?
Whatever else is true, simply not weighing things the same as another would is hardly cowardice. It's simply different, given different Duty and Responsibility a person has. That's not cowardice. That's honor to the higher purpose, instead of slave to the moment at the expense of that purpose. And that's a decision nobody else can make.
These threads never end pretty.
Why Ike, whatever do you mean? Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know! Let's have a spelling contest!
Ahh, the old ‘would you jump in’ if…? Poll question. Since I’ve run out of original responses to this rather common topic, I’ll just sorta quote myself (in part) from another thread. Frankly, none of the poll options really apply to me. My actions would be governed by circumstance rather than any pre-conceived personal policy. In the abstract, I don’t want to get involved unless I have to, although human emotions would inevitably override logic.“Most of my life I worked in the service of others, so it was always natural for me to jump right in. Today I’m older, less physically fit and hopefully a bit wiser. I have learned that people are far more brazen and unpredictable. Likewise, I’m armed, so any intervention on my part will place my gun in close proximity to whatever I volunteer to do...”
As such, the risks are high while the dividends are low. With my luck, I would save someone’s life while being considered a 'hero' and two-years later, that same 'someone' would turn around and sue me for mental anguish.
“Monsters are real and so are ghosts. They live inside of us, and sometimes they win.”
~ Stephen King
Answer: You are trying to twist words to make an ambiguous point while flaming the author of those posts....
The OP asked what would you do.... Not criticize what others would do.
I can only think it makes you feel better to denigrate others to push your views.
For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the son of man be. Mathew 24:27
Why should I risk my life and a future life with my family.. the happiness of my husband and son.. because someone didn't take the initiative to defend themselves?
Yes, it would be great to see the "selfish" attitude of our society turn around but until it does I refuse to be a Lone Ranger.
If that makes me sound like a selfish person than so be it but I'd rather have a lifetime to look in the mirror and regret not acting on behalf of someone as opposed to missing the rest of my life with the people I love and who depend on me.
Yep.. that's what I said.
Dictating terms by which others live their lives or how they value life is the thing done daily by autocratic masters in elected positions that so angers free citizens. Caution.
Having that ability is the essence of liberty. Having that erased is the absence of liberty. Be careful what you wish for.